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[Hugh Jahrmes]

I remember how excited I was when he fell as far as he did and we were able to scoop him. This guy was touted as a top 5 pick, he's got the tools

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Sandman

It will be interesting to see how OK holds up as the season wears on and games get harder....

Hes tenacious. I believe he will have no issues. Hes older, he has a coach that actually gives a ####, and hes hungry. Kid is going to shine and its happening in front of us. And his engine is strong. Sutter may be old but he knows how to adapt to a game and Kylington is reaping the benefits.

[PeteMoss]

Not sure about last year - but most years Tkachuk has great advanced stats. The Backlund/Frolik/Tkachuk line was always great advanced stats wise.

[gvitaly]

Monahan's stats so far this year:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1457771600867061763

[Jay Random]

Four of Monahan's five points have come in the last five games.

He was awful in the first five games, but considering that he was coming off major surgery with virtually no ice time in training camp, I don't know why anyone would have expected otherwise.

The guy is rounding into some degree of form, and his stats will look a lot less bad when those first five games are no longer 45 percent of the sample size.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Monahan's stats so far this year:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1457771600867061763

Of course. He’s on the 4th line.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Of course. He’s on the 4th line.

Lucic looked good with Mangiapane and Dube as well yesterday. Might get Ritchie and Lewis as his linemates when Ritchie comes back.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Four of Monahan's five points have come in the last five games.

He was awful in the first five games, but considering that he was coming off major surgery with virtually no ice time in training camp, I don't know why anyone would have expected otherwise.

The guy is rounding into some degree of form, and his stats will look a lot less bad when those first five games are no longer 45 percent of the sample size.

I posted it as general information, not in order to say Monahan has been awful, or anything like that.

I do think that Monahan with Lewis hasn't really been working so far, but hopefully he finds a way to be more of a difference maker 5 on 5. The scoring on the PP seems to have come back, which is great.

[Shazam]

Sutter will wait until the 20 game mark before he does anything with Monahan.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I posted it as general information, not in order to say Monahan has been awful, or anything like that.

I do think that Monahan with Lewis hasn't really been working so far, but hopefully he finds a way to be more of a difference maker 5 on 5. The scoring on the PP seems to have come back, which is great.

It's really a shame we don't have any speedy, tenacious 23 year old right-handed shot wingers who have been productive at every level since we drafted them in 2016, who would stylistically mesh with Sean Monahan.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It's really a shame we don't have any speedy, tenacious 23 year old right-handed shot wingers who have been productive at every level since we drafted them in 2016, who would stylistically mesh with Sean Monahan.

I was like... that sounds like sarcasm, but then i was like... wait...

- 23 years old
- winger
- right-shot
- drafted by us in 2016
- productive at every level since we drafted them

Are you talking about 6th-round draft pick, 5'7" Matthew Phillips? Who last season went -10 while putting up 21 points in 30 games in the AHL? With exactly 1 game of NHL experience? I mean... that's kind of stretching the definition of productive a little bit, no?

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I was like... that sounds like sarcasm, but then i was like... wait...

- 23 years old
- winger
- right-shot
- drafted by us in 2016
- productive at every level since we drafted them

Are you talking about 6th-round draft pick, 5'7" Matthew Phillips? Who last season went -10 while putting up 21 points in 30 games in the AHL? With exactly 1 game of NHL experience? I mean... that's kind of stretching the definition of productive a little bit, no?

Considering the team as a whole was pretty bad last year, and being tied for first in scoring, that's still productive. I think he should get a longer look, if he sinks after that, sure.

[GranteedEV]

Phillips hasn't been productive the way a surefire first liner might be, but he's certainly produced at a level that warrants a look on what is essentially our fourth line, especially considering how strong the fit could be
As for experience... the only way to get experience... is to get experience.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Four of Monahan's five points have come in the last five games.

He was awful in the first five games, but considering that he was coming off major surgery with virtually no ice time in training camp, I don't know why anyone would have expected otherwise.

The guy is rounding into some degree of form, and his stats will look a lot less bad when those first five games are no longer 45 percent of the sample size.

Problem for Monahan is he still has no even strength points in 11 games this season. His line is basically out there to try not to get scored on, yet he's a team worst -5. At a $6.375 million price tag, he needs to help elevate his line mates to at the very least, an elite 4th line which is not happening right now.

I know people were dogging on Lucic a while back for being on Monahan's line, but Lucic has 4 even strength goals right now, so even he can't be blamed for Monahan's lack of production right now.

At the very least though, he's getting PP points, so maybe he can add some stock to his trade value. But with key pending contracts looming, his $6.375M may need to go in order to ironically afford his best friend's raise.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Phillips hasn't been productive the way a surefire first liner might be, but he's certainly produced at a level that warrants a look on what is essentially our fourth line, especially considering how strong the fit could be
As for experience... the only way to get experience... is to get experience.

This is what killed me about Kylington, when he was starting to get some experience, they go get Fantenberg and the year after Forbort/Gustafsson. Kylington and the folding chair stall. I guess it worked out in the end but still....

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Phillips hasn't been productive the way a surefire first liner might be, but he's certainly produced at a level that warrants a look on what is essentially our fourth line, especially considering how strong the fit could be
As for experience... the only way to get experience... is to get experience.

I love the Matthew Phillips story and I honestly hope he works out.

But at his size he's not going to get a look at the fourth line. He doesn't have the physical attributes to grind it out, and doesn't have the linemates on the fourth line to use the skills he has.

Now with Monahan there I guess I see you're point to a degree, but Phillips being an offensive player in year four in the AHL is fourth on his team in scoring. He needs to be lighting it up to kick that door down.

Please don't read this as anti-Phillips ... as it isn't. I just don't think there's a home if he's not dominating the AHL.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I posted it as general information, not in order to say Monahan has been awful, or anything like that.

I know. I was taking issue with Andy & Rono and their ‘Woof’. I don't think Monahan deserves a ‘woof’ at all.

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

At the very least though, he's getting PP points, so maybe he can add some stock to his trade value.

See, I think this is getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. It's far too early to be talking about Monahan's trade value. Can we at least get him in condition first? After all, he's not on the fourth line because Dube has been wowing the league on the third. Sutter has made it quite clear that he's bringing the guy back slowly, and he's not there yet.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I love the Matthew Phillips story and I honestly hope he works out.

But at his size he's not going to get a look at the fourth line. He doesn't have the physical attributes to grind it out, and doesn't have the linemates on the fourth line to use the skills he has.

Now with Monahan there I guess I see you're point to a degree, but Phillips being an offensive player in year four in the AHL is fourth on his team in scoring. He needs to be lighting it up to kick that door down.

Please don't read this as anti-Phillips ... as it isn't. I just don't think there's a home if he's not dominating the AHL.

I think the way the Flames are managed you are correct. This GM preferred Brandon Bollig on his fourth line over Paul Byron, after all.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I think the way the Flames are managed you are correct. This GM preferred Brandon Bollig on his fourth line over Paul Byron, after all.

Come on ...

Lets not convert this to another Treliving bash thread.

This is a little hockey player, he makes Gaudreau look big. There aren't a lot of teams that would look at his modest AHL numbers, height and size and scream "fourth liner! Give him a chance!"

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Monahan's stats so far this year:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1457771600867061763

Honestly hard to believe.

Doesn't match the eye test, at least in the past two weeks.