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Gotta laugh how down this place is while the Flames are off to their best start since 2009.
How is this place? Discussing a weak link on the team. Sean Monahan? Hes been one of the glaring problems for awhile now. Just such a waste of $6.4M or 7.8% of our cap. You would hope with a role reduction and a lower quality of competition he might hold his head above water but he simply isn't. At least he isn't dragging Gaudreau down anymore.
The team has been great IMO, hopefully Sean wakes up at some point on what a 200 foot game is actually about and semi pulls some weight. He says he feels great and knows he has a lot to prove, but hes just not cutting it. You can't blame linemates for you not being in the right spot defensively, making a clean pass, putting your bloody stick on the ice/in the lane or winning a puck battle.
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I think people are just discussing what was a not so strong performance compared to the rest of the games so far.
Meh, we always find a way to lose to Dallas at home. At least this time we got 1 point out of it. Moving on...I'll only start getting concerned if we can only beat Eastern Conference teams..
How is this place? Discussing a weak link on the team. Sean Monahan? Hes been one of the glaring problems for awhile now. Just such a waste of $6.4M or 7.8% of our cap. You would hope with a role reduction and a lower quality of competition he might hold his head above water but he simply isn't. At least he isn't dragging Gaudreau down anymore.
The team has been great IMO, hopefully Sean wakes up at some point on what a 200 foot game is actually about and semi pulls some weight. He says he feels great and knows he has a lot to prove, but hes just not cutting it. You can't blame linemates for you not being in the right spot defensively, making a clean pass, putting your bloody stick on the ice/in the lane or winning a puck battle.
A major problem with Monahan was how much success he had with Gaudreau early on. Gaudreau is one of the best stickhandlers to ever play the game. Monahan just learned to put his stick down and have Gaudreau open up space and then feed him easy goals in the slot. Monahan is definitely elite at finishing those opportunities. The problem is Monahan really didn't lean to do much else.
This youtube video is a package of highlights from his rookie year, before he started playing with Gaudreau. IMO it looks like his skating, stickhandling, and desire to get into dirty areas was better in his rookie year than now.
Celebrating the kind of start this team should be getting every year because they managed to finally do it for the first time in 12 years is silly.
6 wins in the first 10 feels like an expectation for a group that spends to the cap. We've just finally had an adequate start.
Good job not putting yourself in a deep hole to start.
Just adequate?
You do realize these first 10 games also included a 5 game road trip, including a back to back game. On top of that all the teams the Flames have faced so far have been on winning streaks themselves.
You've basically just picked the worst way of looking at their current record as just "6 wins in the first 10".
You do realize these first 10 games also included a 5 game road trip, including a back to back game. On top of that all the teams the Flames have faced so far have been on winning streaks themselves.
You've basically just picked the worst way of looking at their current record as just "6 wins in the first 10".
6 wins also ignores the 3 OT points, two of which were in games they clearly outplayed the opposition. And that 3rd (last night) was in a game where they were arguably outplayed, but clawed back in and were the better team in OT.
Like Sutter said, it’s about performance, not wins necessarily. I’d say last night was a step back after about 8 or 9 steps forward.
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6 wins also ignores the 3 OT points, two of which were in games they clearly outplayed the opposition. And that 3rd (last night) was in a game where they were arguably outplayed, but clawed back in and were the better team in OT.
Like Sutter said, it’s about performance, not wins necessarily. I’d say last night was a step back after about 8 or 9 steps forward.
Hockey is a game of parity and bounces. This isn't the NFL or the NBA. No team is getting anywhere close to a perfect record. On any given night in the NHL any team can beat any other team. Picking up 15 out of a potential 20 points is very very good in the NHL.
If you keep playing well in the NHL with consistency your record will eventually reflect that.
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6 wins in the first 10 feels like an expectation for a group that spends to the cap. We've just finally had an adequate start.
I hate to pile on, but the Flames at the moment are 18th in cap hit according to CapFriendly. Sixteen teams are actually over the cap and using LTIR to stay compliant. Half the league!
So yeah, 15 of a possible 20 points with a payroll that is actually below the league median? I'll take that any day.
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6 wins also ignores the 3 OT points, two of which were in games they clearly outplayed the opposition. And that 3rd (last night) was in a game where they were arguably outplayed, but clawed back in and were the better team in OT.
Like Sutter said, it’s about performance, not wins necessarily. I’d say last night was a step back after about 8 or 9 steps forward.
I'd argue the Flames have outplayed their opponents in every game thus far. Look at last night's goals against... the first one resulted from a penalty that never should have been taken, the 2nd was a bad goal let in by Marky, and the 3rd was a fluky bounce. The team continues to play very solid defensively, and it's just a matter of avoiding taking undisciplined penalties and Marky cleaning up the weak goals against. Do that and they can win 2-1 or 3-2 on a nightly basis.
I'd argue the Flames have outplayed their opponents in every game thus far. Look at last night's goals against... the first one resulted from a penalty that never should have been taken, the 2nd was a bad goal let in by Marky, and the 3rd was a fluky bounce. The team continues to play very solid defensively, and it's just a matter of avoiding taking undisciplined penalties and Marky cleaning up the weak goals against. Do that and they can win 2-1 or 3-2 on a nightly basis.
I was being conservative I suppose. They were pretty flat for about half of the ice time. And they dominated 3 on 3.
I thought it was the Flames' worst game of the season so far - they just didn't have the same tenacious puck pursuit that has been the trademark of the first 9 games. I said several times through the game that they looked like last year's team, playing slow.
People are always quick to blame the goalie whenever we lose - sometimes the shooter just makes a good shot.
I thought they lost the game in the last 15 seconds of the 2nd period - they had just scored twice, taking over the game and the lead, and had the puck and were moving up ice on the last shift of the period, at the tail end of a PP. For some inexplicable reason, the puck carrier (Tanev?) dumped it in with 15 seconds left. The puck went around the boards and out, and the Stars went down 2 on 1 and scored, to completely flip the momentum back around.
If Tanev carries it in, the puck likely never leaves the zone and they go into the room up 2-1 (maybe even 3-1)
The Stars have our number, and play us with confidence. It's infuriating - I hate those bastards. But I'll take the point.
I can't believe people aren't impressed with Coleman - he has been great, IMO. Defensively, he has been stellar.
He hasn't been getting a lot of points, but I put that on his line, and on his utilization. He should definitely be on PP2.
He most definitely has not been a problem or a disappointment though.
Considering the minutes he's getting, even his offensive stats aren't that bad. 4 points and 3 goals in 9 points. He's had a bunch of dangerous chances too.
He was brought in to be a guy who can put up 20 goals and 40 points from the mid-six while bringing physical game and hustle. He's done exactly that so far. I don't see at all how he's a disappointment.
