[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

But is it a reach, GioforPM?

Search within your soul. Knowing Treliving, Is it?

I think he’d be eager to divest himself of the Tkachuk headache. Mangiapane would be tougher. It’s still a risky trade.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TOfan

All this talk about the Flames being idiots and morons based off of third/fourth hand knowledge has me wondering who the idiots really are.

Lol there’s the appeal to authority.

Do the Flames have Jack Eichel?

Was that a beatable package that acquired him?

I mean that’s kind of all you need to know, whether Tuch loves the Buffalo area or not- reality is that assets are assets.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That tweet doesn’t even come close to saying Treliving declared either Tkachuk or Mangiapane untouchable. It’s just some guy’s opinion about what might have happened. There’s no inside info there.

It’s just a quote from Friedman’s 32 thoughts podcast which I’m pretty sure has already been posted here.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think he’d be eager to divest himself of the Tkachuk headache. Mangiapane would be tougher. It’s still a risky trade.

And a risk worth taking.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Lol there’s the appeal to authority.

Do the Flames have Jack Eichel?

Was that a beatable package that acquired him?
.

Perhaps not. Not if the Sabres considered Krebs the best prospect in either franchise.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Lol there’s the appeal to authority.

Do the Flames have Jack Eichel?

Was that a beatable package that acquired him?

I mean that’s kind of all you need to know, whether Tuch loves the Buffalo area or not- reality is that assets are assets.

It's a matter of opinion

Tuch had more points than Mangipane or Monahan last season

They seem to have a Krebs boner

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Lol there’s the appeal to authority.

Do the Flames have Jack Eichel?

Was that a beatable package that acquired him?

I mean that’s kind of all you need to know, whether Tuch loves the Buffalo area or not- reality is that assets are assets.

I suppose they could have offered two firsts, Coronato, Zary, and Lindholm.

Honestly, the only roster forwards clearly better than Tuch all things - including contract - considered is Lindholm. Gaudreau and Tkachuk are on expiring contracts and will probably not re-sign in Buffalo (Tkachuk after taking $9M of their money). Monahan is not a sure thing at all. Mangiapane and Tuch are quite similar in numbers but Mangiapane isn’t signed long term.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's a matter of opinion

Tuch had more points than Mangipane or Monahan last season

They seem to have a Krebs boner

Not disagreeing, but just wanted to say Tuch had one more assist than Mangiapane. That much is well within the realm of standard deviation. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason he had that one more point was because the VGK led in more games thanks to Vezina-winning goaltending. Have a lead, other team is bound to make poor pinches or pull their goalie. Don't have a lead, and the other team is trapping you.

Will be interesting to see if Tuch and Mangiapane are in the same tier going forward. I'd wager Eatbread pulls ahead.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not disagreeing, but just wanted to say Tuch had one more assist than Mangiapane. That much is well within the realm of standard deviation. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason he had that one more point was because the VGK led in more games thanks to Vezina-winning goaltending. Have a lead, other team is bound to make poor pinches or pull their goalie. Don't have a lead, and the other team is trapping you.

Will be interesting to see if Tuch and Mangiapane are in the same tier going forward. I'd wager Eatbread pulls ahead.

I dunno - Tuch is gonna get premium ice time on that roster and maybe PP1, whereas Sutter rolls his lines and keeps Mangi on PP2. Tuch is similar to Mangiapane in that he’s succeeded down the lineup and without premium powerplay time. The guy has a lot of tools, size, speed and skill. And that contract is just fantastic.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not disagreeing, but just wanted to say Tuch had one more assist than Mangiapane. That much is well within the realm of standard deviation. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason he had that one more point was because the VGK led in more games thanks to Vezina-winning goaltending. Have a lead, other team is bound to make poor pinches or pull their goalie. Don't have a lead, and the other team is trapping you.

Will be interesting to see if Tuch and Mangiapane are in the same tier going forward. I'd wager Eatbread pulls ahead.

I think Mangi is better too...but it doesn't matter what I think

people are acting like he was a throw in though, he is around the same value and actually wants to be in Buffalo. That is rare

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think Mangi is better too...but it doesn't matter what I think

people are acting like he was a throw in though, he is around the same value and actually wants to be in Buffalo. That is rare

Yeah this - if you want a package that Buffalo can’t refuse over what they got you can’t say for sure Mangiapane + Zary > Tuch +Krebs. Despite what we think and what the numbers say on each side.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Lol there’s the appeal to authority.

Do the Flames have Jack Eichel?

Was that a beatable package that acquired him?

I mean that’s kind of all you need to know, whether Tuch loves the Buffalo area or not- reality is that assets are assets.

That was Buffalo’s decision to make.

If your suggesting the Flames neuter themselves to acquire Eichel, then who knows what it would have taken.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's a matter of opinion

Tuch had more points than Mangipane or Monahan last season

They seem to have a Krebs boner

Sure but my comments are only put forward if the Flames were refusing to put these guys on the table in the first place. The quote said these guys were not in play, “non-starters” etc. That’s ridiculous if true.

[Vinny01]

I remember saying Tkachuk, Zary, 1st in the summer. It made it really tough to pull the trigger in season with such a core piece but too bad they didn’t make it happen over the summer time. This one still stings I am so disappointed Treliving didn’t overpay here. Huge risk with potential huge reward.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think Tuch is a very comparable asset to Mangiapane. The difference is that Mangianpane is much more consequential to the Flames than Tuch is to Vegas.

This team without Mangiapane for most of the season while waiting for Eichel to be game ready, probably has a much smaller shot at making the playoffs. Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for the long term future until you remember that Buffalo would have certainly been getting our 1st rounder as well.

Vegas is at a point right now where it doesn't even matter. They can afford to lose Tuch because they are rich in top line talent and their playoff hopes are more linked to their injury situation and not Tuch or Eichel.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Sure but my comments are only put forward if the Flames were refusing to put these guys on the table in the first place. The quote said these guys were not in play, “non-starters” etc. That’s ridiculous if true.

That’s not really what the quote says. And I find it pretty hard to believe Treliving would not listen to a deal involving Tkachuk.

[CliffFletcher]

People are still forgetting that the Flames needed to move at least $6 mil in the deal. So let’s say the Sabres wanted Mangiapane, but they didn’t want Monahan (or a cap dump like Zadorov). Where does the other $4 mil in cap come from?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That’s not really what the quote says. And I find it pretty hard to believe Treliving would not listen to a deal involving Tkachuk.

"The other thing too is I think Buffalo asked about Tkachuk and I think they asked about Mangiapane and Calgary just wasn't willing to go there"

What does this mean to you (assuming it's true)?

Yes Cliff (and others), I understand the cap is a complication. Roger. Doesn't mean you can't figure something out.

There's always good reasons not to do something.

No first line C for 30 years.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

"The other thing too is I think Buffalo asked about Tkachuk and I think they asked about Mangiapane and Calgary just wasn't willing to go there"

What does this mean to you (assuming it's true)?

Yes Cliff (and others), I understand the cap is a complication. Roger. Doesn't mean you can't figure something out.

There's always good reasons not to do something.

No first line C for 30 years.

Says to me that the Flames weren’t interested in trading Tkachuk or Mangiapane as part of a deal for Jack Eichel. Doesn’t mean the Flames wouldn’t listen for offers on those players otherwise.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

"The other thing too is I think Buffalo asked about Tkachuk and I think they asked about Mangiapane and Calgary just wasn't willing to go there"

What does this mean to you (assuming it's true)?

Yes Cliff (and others), I understand the cap is a complication. Roger. Doesn't mean you can't figure something out.

There's always good reasons not to do something.

No first line C for 30 years.

End of the day the same problem with all this still exists. Buffalo has to say yes. And by all accounts had a Cialis level of hard on for Krebs which simply over rides any offer the Flames could have comfortably (or uncomfortably) offered up.

You can Blame the Flames management all you want, they still can't make the other team agree to a deal.