Brad Treliving needs to go

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this guy gets it

Get what? Tampa has been forever in cap trouble and they won the last 2 cups

The NHL salary cap is a joke with so many loopholes. Treliving is not smart enough to manage it

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, anyone who thinks Vegas just "added Eichel" with no other changes required is absolutely nuts.

They need to sign 9 roster players this off season, and if they sign each of them at league minimum, that means moving $4M out in addition to losing Smith, Janmark, and McNabb. That also means that they need to move out or sign for minimum all of their RFAs, even ones that are already making more than minimum, or move out even more salary if any of them want a raise.

This is a completely different team next year.

Of course they can't ice their entire roster for an entire season when healthy. That roster would be pretty much unbeatable.

Pacioretty - Eichel - Stone
Marchessault - Karlsson - Smith
Patrick - Stephenson - Dadonov
Carrier - Roy - Janmark

Martinez - Theodore
Hague - Pietrangelo
McNabb - Whitecloud

Lehner

The scary thing is that if they make the playoffs, that's pretty much the team they can ice. And as far as next season goes, you trade Pacioretty and Dadonov and recoup some assets lost from the Eichel trade, and you still have Eichel, Stone, Karlsson, Marchessault, Pietrangelo and Theodore. As much as you can hope, let's not pretend Vegas is just all of a sudden going to become a bottom feeder because oh no the salary cap.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Get what? Tampa has been forever in cap trouble and they won the last 2 cups

The NHL salary cap is a joke with so many loopholes. Treliving is not smart enough to manage it

Gets that Vegas is going to have to manage it, and that it will require changing the makeup of the team, not just “plug and play” with Jack Eichel. Even Tampa has had to shed good players for nothing and higher paid players with high picks to manage the cap.

Didn’t think it was a tough concept that needed hand holding.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Get what? Tampa has been forever in cap trouble and they won the last 2 cups

The NHL salary cap is a joke with so many loopholes. Treliving is not smart enough to manage it

Yeah you just have to hope your top player suffers a significant injury. Genius by tampa.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Yeah you just have to hope your top player suffers a significant injury. Genius by tampa.

Making fun of an org that's been a legit cup contender (and won two cups) for the better part of a decade. Genius flames fan

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Get what? Tampa has been forever in cap trouble and they won the last 2 cups

The NHL salary cap is a joke with so many loopholes. Treliving is not smart enough to manage it

Tampa was in cap trouble last year. Before that? No more than any other team.

And adding a guy who was on IR where you knew exactly who he was on your team and where he’d fit, and how he’d play, without subtracting anyone else is a lot different than what Vegas will have to do.

Look at how TB has fallen off this year just by losing Coleman, Gourde and Savard.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Making fun of an org that's been a legit cup contender (and won two cups) for the better part of a decade. Genius flames fan

How am I making fun of Tampa?? Follow along with better reading comprehension.

Someone suggested you have to manage the salary cap with loopholes like Tampa did with Kucherov...like it was some master plan their top player would suffer a significant injury.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tampa was in cap trouble last year. Before that? No more than any other team.

And adding a guy who was on IR where you knew exactly who he was on your team and where he’d fit, and how he’d play, without subtracting anyone else is a lot different than what Vegas will have to do.

Look at how TB has fallen off this year just by losing Coleman, Gourde and Savard.

Who gives a crap? They have two cups to show for it.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Who gives a crap? They have two cups to show for it.

Thank you!

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

How am I making fun of Tampa?? Follow along with better reading comprehension.

Someone suggested you have to manage the salary cap with loopholes like Tampa did with Kucherov...like it was some master plan their top player would suffer a significant injury.

No, their master plan was to build an elite contender that had a chance to win the cup every year. A legit chance. Not hoping to get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle with an inferior team like some orgs do. They did that by adding elite talent wherever they could, which is exactly what Vegas is doing and did today.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Yeah you just have to hope your top player suffers a significant injury. Genius by tampa.

It's not like Kucherov's injury was sudden though. He opted not have surgery in the off season, as most players would for that kind of thing. But then he and the team opted for surgery just before the season began after it was clear that Tampa couldn't get under the cap without losing some key players.

The timing to opt for the surgery is kind of suspicious considering the cap issues they were having as well. Of course, they didn't do anything wrong technically. A player and team can choose the surgery any time they feel it's required. They knew they were a good enough team to hang in there while Kucherov was out and took advantage of it.

I am actually OK with that tactic. The only thing that bothers me is that it was reported that he was participating in full contact practices and scrimmages a while before the playoffs began, and from reporters at the practices, appeared to be 100%. When Tampa was called out on that, he disappeared from the practices until the playoffs without a word. I feel they probably kept him on the LTIR longer than needed so they wouldn't have to make roster changes. That is the sneaky part. If a player is healthy, they shouldn't stay in LTIR. I don't know how the NHL can prove or enforce that though. Or if they really even care.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No, their master plan was to build an elite contender that had a chance to win the cup every year. A legit chance. Not hoping to get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle with an inferior team like some orgs do. They did that by adding elite talent wherever they could, which is exactly what Vegas is doing and did today.

Ok? Not sure why you're replying to my post that had nothing to do with any of that. This was a cap loophole discussion.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's not like Kucherov's injury was sudden though. He opted not have surgery in the off season, as most players would for that kind of thing. But then he and the team opted for surgery just before the season began after it was clear that Tampa couldn't get under the cap without losing some key players.

The timing to opt for the surgery is kind of suspicious considering the cap issues they were having as well. Of course, they didn't do anything wrong technically. A player and team can choose the surgery any time they feel it's required. They knew they were a good enough team to hang in there while Kucherov was out and took advantage of it.

I am actually OK with that tactic. The only thing that bothers me is that it was reported that he was participating in full contact practices and scrimmages a while before the playoffs began, and from reporters at the practices, appeared to be 100%. When Tampa was called out on that, he disappeared from the practices until the playoffs without a word. I feel they probably kept him on the LTIR longer than needed so they wouldn't have to make roster changes. That is the sneaky part. If a player is healthy, they shouldn't stay in LTIR. I don't know how the NHL can prove or enforce that though. Or if they really even care.

He never reported any pain in the hip until Dec 3rd. Much after the season was done.

They opted for surgery later in the same month.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tampa was in cap trouble last year. Before that? No more than any other team.

And adding a guy who was on IR where you knew exactly who he was on your team and where he’d fit, and how he’d play, without subtracting anyone else is a lot different than what Vegas will have to do.

Look at how TB has fallen off this year just by losing Coleman, Gourde and Savard.

You're not saying you would not want the Flames to be in Tampa's shoes for the last few years, are you?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Of course they can't ice their entire roster for an entire season when healthy. That roster would be pretty much unbeatable.

Pacioretty - Eichel - Stone
Marchessault - Karlsson - Smith
Patrick - Stephenson - Dadonov
Carrier - Roy - Janmark

Martinez - Theodore
Hague - Pietrangelo
McNabb - Whitecloud

Lehner

The scary thing is that if they make the playoffs, that's pretty much the team they can ice. And as far as next season goes, you trade Pacioretty and Dadonov and recoup some assets lost from the Eichel trade, and you still have Eichel, Stone, Karlsson, Marchessault, Pietrangelo and Theodore. As much as you can hope, let's not pretend Vegas is just all of a sudden going to become a bottom feeder because oh no the salary cap.

Who said bottom feeder? Anybody?

Is Toronto a bottom feeder with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Reilly, and Muzzin? No, but it looks scarier than what Vegas is running up front, and they aren't exactly knocking on the door of the Stanley Cup Finals.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by zamler

You're not saying you would not want the Flames to be in Tampa's shoes for the last few years, are you?

Lol because of how hard they have “fallen off” during a 9 game sample size where they still got 11 points

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by neo45

Lol because of how hard they have “fallen off” during a 9 game sample size where they still got 11 points

Well to be fair would anyone have guessed they'd have a -1 goal differential? Still early but they're obviously not the same team as last 2 years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Who gives a crap? They have two cups to show for it.

Sure, but that’s not my point at all. My point is they weren’t in cap trouble until last year, when they fell into the ability to work it. And this year, when they actually had to adapt, they aren’t nearly the same team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

You're not saying you would not want the Flames to be in Tampa's shoes for the last few years, are you?

No, I’m not. Why can’t anyone read?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by neo45

Lol because of how hard they have “fallen off” during a 9 game sample size where they still got 11 points

They’ve been pretty bad.