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View Poll Results: What will happen to Brad Treliving after the end of the season?
He should and will be fired 167 17.06%
He should be fired, but will continue as the Flames GM 277 28.29%
He should not and will not be fired 288 29.42%
He should not but will be fired 27 2.76%
Unsure if he should be, but he will be fired 37 3.78%
Unsure if he should be, but he will not be fired 183 18.69%
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:24 PM   #5341
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Not sure if posted yet but Byron Bader thinks Zary and Coronato are better prospects than Krebs. Hearing Friedman say what Flames proposal was (three top prospects, 1st, Monahan to even out money) it seems like Adams... is just kind of a bozo dead set on this one guy who is really not that special of a prospect. what can we do when these eastern teams like Brannstroms and Krebs more than our guys. not sure.
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Hows that working out?
The team has won 7 rounds of playoffs since this management group put them together. They won the Presidents trophy last year. I think pretty much everything has worked out pretty well for Vegas.
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There's simply no justification for Brad staying in the game as long as he did if he knew he was never going to beat Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd. And obviously, he did know he wouldn't beat that.

He could've said 'we're out' in September. And as much as I would have disagreed with it philosophically, it's not my job, so I could only be so upset.

But in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he had to be 'in on everything', and in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he dragged this out knowing full well he wasn't going to meet the asking price because he wanted the press coverage.

It's embarrassing.

Now, he's going to Panarin himself out of Johnny, without whom this team is offensively inert.

Of course, he won't learn from that, and he will hold Tkachuk's hand while he walks him down the aisle to UFA without getting back at least as much as the Coyotes got for Christian Dvorak. Who sucks.

Despite doing everything he can to trade Monahan, Try Hard will no doubt sign him to 8x$6M extension as he attempts to win back some goodwill from the fans and media - 960 will call it a team-friendly deal.

Like, what is this team's direction. We're 24 months away from Dillon Dube, 1st line centre, and not based on Dube blowing up.

This man is not a wizard, he's Marc Bergevin with worse hair.

He's Jarmo Kekalainin if Jarmo couldn't speak Finnish.

If the owners hadn't forced him to hire Darryl Sutter, this team would be fighting with the Kraken at the bottom of the division, because you know his next hire after Geoff Ward would've been someone like Mike Yeo.

He should be punted like it's 4th and 99.
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Not sure if posted yet but Byron Bader thinks Zary and Coronato are better prospects than Krebs. Hearing Friedman say what Flames proposal was (three top prospects, 1st, Monahan to even out money) it seems like Adams... is just kind of a bozo dead set on this one guy who is really not that special of a prospect. what can we do when these eastern teams like Brannstroms and Krebs more than our guys. not sure.
So does this mean that Monahan would have agreed to waive his no trade? Or would this have been the same as the Kadri no deal?
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:35 PM   #5345
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The team has won 7 rounds of playoffs since this management group put them together. They won the Presidents trophy last year. I think pretty much everything has worked out pretty well for Vegas.
All with MAF in goal

Lets see your cap compliant Knights roster

Previous stuff is kinda irrelevant now that they will have a totally different team
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:37 PM   #5346
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Yeah, anyone who thinks Vegas just "added Eichel" with no other changes required is absolutely nuts.

They need to sign 9 roster players this off season, and if they sign each of them at league minimum, that means moving $4M out in addition to losing Smith, Janmark, and McNabb. That also means that they need to move out or sign for minimum all of their RFAs, even ones that are already making more than minimum, or move out even more salary if any of them want a raise.

This is a completely different team next year.
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:39 PM   #5347
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There's simply no justification for Brad staying in the game as long as he did if he knew he was never going to beat Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd. And obviously, he did know he wouldn't beat that.

He could've said 'we're out' in September. And as much as I would have disagreed with it philosophically, it's not my job, so I could only be so upset.

But in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he had to be 'in on everything', and in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he dragged this out knowing full well he wasn't going to meet the asking price because he wanted the press coverage.

It's embarrassing.

Now, he's going to Panarin himself out of Johnny, without whom this team is offensively inert.

Of course, he won't learn from that, and he will hold Tkachuk's hand while he walks him down the aisle to UFA without getting back at least as much as the Coyotes got for Christian Dvorak. Who sucks.

Despite doing everything he can to trade Monahan, Try Hard will no doubt sign him to 8x$6M extension as he attempts to win back some goodwill from the fans and media - 960 will call it a team-friendly deal.

Like, what is this team's direction. We're 24 months away from Dillon Dube, 1st line centre, and not based on Dube blowing up.

This man is not a wizard, he's Marc Bergevin with worse hair.

He's Jarmo Kekalainin if Jarmo couldn't speak Finnish.

If the owners hadn't forced him to hire Darryl Sutter, this team would be fighting with the Kraken at the bottom of the division, because you know his next hire after Geoff Ward would've been someone like Mike Yeo.

He should be punted like it's 4th and 99.
A lot to agree with here. Once gain, I'm back wondering what the plan is here exactly.

In Sutter we trust I guess.
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:42 PM   #5348
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There's simply no justification for Brad staying in the game as long as he did if he knew he was never going to beat Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd. And obviously, he did know he wouldn't beat that.

He could've said 'we're out' in September. And as much as I would have disagreed with it philosophically, it's not my job, so I could only be so upset.

But in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he had to be 'in on everything', and in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he dragged this out knowing full well he wasn't going to meet the asking price because he wanted the press coverage.

It's embarrassing.

Now, he's going to Panarin himself out of Johnny, without whom this team is offensively inert.

Of course, he won't learn from that, and he will hold Tkachuk's hand while he walks him down the aisle to UFA without getting back at least as much as the Coyotes got for Christian Dvorak. Who sucks.

Despite doing everything he can to trade Monahan, Try Hard will no doubt sign him to 8x$6M extension as he attempts to win back some goodwill from the fans and media - 960 will call it a team-friendly deal.

Like, what is this team's direction. We're 24 months away from Dillon Dube, 1st line centre, and not based on Dube blowing up.

This man is not a wizard, he's Marc Bergevin with worse hair.

He's Jarmo Kekalainin if Jarmo couldn't speak Finnish.

If the owners hadn't forced him to hire Darryl Sutter, this team would be fighting with the Kraken at the bottom of the division, because you know his next hire after Geoff Ward would've been someone like Mike Yeo.

He should be punted like it's 4th and 99.
4th and 99 you hope for illegal contact or defensive holding!
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:43 PM   #5349
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So does this mean that Monahan would have agreed to waive his no trade? Or would this have been the same as the Kadri no deal?
they never got that far so we don't know. but the amount of times Monahan has been in trade rumors, pretty much every year since the 1st place in the west finish, has me wondering if he doesn't have a private open trade request himself. just my own guess.
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:43 PM   #5350
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There's simply no justification for Brad staying in the game as long as he did if he knew he was never going to beat Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd. And obviously, he did know he wouldn't beat that.

He could've said 'we're out' in September. And as much as I would have disagreed with it philosophically, it's not my job, so I could only be so upset.

But in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he had to be 'in on everything', and in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he dragged this out knowing full well he wasn't going to meet the asking price because he wanted the press coverage.

It's embarrassing.

Now, he's going to Panarin himself out of Johnny, without whom this team is offensively inert.

Of course, he won't learn from that, and he will hold Tkachuk's hand while he walks him down the aisle to UFA without getting back at least as much as the Coyotes got for Christian Dvorak. Who sucks.

Despite doing everything he can to trade Monahan, Try Hard will no doubt sign him to 8x$6M extension as he attempts to win back some goodwill from the fans and media - 960 will call it a team-friendly deal.

Like, what is this team's direction. We're 24 months away from Dillon Dube, 1st line centre, and not based on Dube blowing up.

This man is not a wizard, he's Marc Bergevin with worse hair.

He's Jarmo Kekalainin if Jarmo couldn't speak Finnish.

If the owners hadn't forced him to hire Darryl Sutter, this team would be fighting with the Kraken at the bottom of the division, because you know his next hire after Geoff Ward would've been someone like Mike Yeo.

He should be punted like it's 4th and 99.
Wow there are just so many assumptions parading as facts in that post.

But I agree ...

If Brad Treliving is the vane attention hog you think he is, then yeah fire the guy.

But you are making so many leaps in this post that it's more fiction than any kind of reality.
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Seems like the Flames made a fair offer that many would consider to be better...they obviously liked Krebs more than anything we had
Not sure what more Brad could do other than add assets and make a terrible trade just to "win"

This seems like a 50/50 risk at best for Vegas IMO

10M player with a broken neck...you basically have to gut your team to get him in the lineup. They better hope he is a 100 point player.
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Seems like the Flames made a fair offer that many would consider to be better...they obviously liked Krebs more than anything we had
Not sure what more Brad could do other than add assets and make a terrible trade just to "win"

This seems like a 50/50 risk at best for Vegas IMO

10M player with a broken neck...you basically have to gut your team to get him in the lineup. They better hope he is a 100 point player.
At the end of the day, we still need to add the cost for Vegas to become cap compliant. Now, they may have injuries that are permanent so there is no cost. However, if all Vegas' players return then the cost to acquire Eichel also needs to include the salary dumps later this season or in the off-season. They are kicking the can down the road but it will be expensive to sort out.
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At the end of the day, we still need to add the cost for Vegas to become cap compliant. Now, they may have injuries that are permanent so there is no cost. However, if all Vegas' players return then the cost to acquire Eichel also needs to include the salary dumps later this season or in the off-season. They are kicking the can down the road but it will be expensive to sort out.
And how good is that team

My only objection is to the notion the Knights are "adding Eichel to an already great team"

nope, they are adding Eichel to a totally unknown team
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Wow there are just so many assumptions parading as facts in that post.

But I agree ...

If Brad Treliving is the vane attention hog you think he is, then yeah fire the guy.

But you are making so many leaps in this post that it's more fiction than any kind of reality.
I kind of liked his post but it really belonged in the safe space thread. It was a good old fashioned venting based presumably on not understanding what the hell they are doing.
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I kind of liked his post but it really belonged in the safe space thread. It was a good old fashioned venting based presumably on not understanding what the hell they are doing.
And don't get me wrong ... his theory is as good as anyone's. None of us know what's really going on.

But it's just a theory.
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Yeah, anyone who thinks Vegas just "added Eichel" with no other changes required is absolutely nuts.

They need to sign 9 roster players this off season, and if they sign each of them at league minimum, that means moving $4M out in addition to losing Smith, Janmark, and McNabb. That also means that they need to move out or sign for minimum all of their RFAs, even ones that are already making more than minimum, or move out even more salary if any of them want a raise.

This is a completely different team next year.
Vegas wants to win the Cup within this season or maybe the next before they start rebuilding. The owner has already stated he wants a Cup ASAP before he croaks. So, if they can sneak into the playoffs, then do what Tampa Bay has done the last two years by injecting players from the LTIR and then win the Cup, that's all they need. If Eichel has returned and plays for another 5-10 years, that gamble is worth all the risk for at least one Cup. It's all in or nothing for them. They'll worry about next year's team and restock as necessary.
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It’s obvious that this was the major change that Tre targeted this year. It did not come to fruition, but with the team playing the way they are, it might not have as much of an impact to this season.


Going forward though, my biggest concern is Johnny due to him being a pending UFA. I have kinda come to the acceptance that Tkachuk either will demand a significant pay or not be long for the flames. I’d honestly prefer the latter. Mangiapane is an RFA as well. But Johnny is a player who makes those he plays with better. I hope Tre is able to find a way to keep him beyond this season. That probably is his final test/chance in addition to how we actually do this season.

If we end up losing Johnny, I feel like a rebuild is the way to go, and not sure ownership will want Tre to handle that.
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Vegas wants to win the Cup within this season or maybe the next before they start rebuilding. The owner has already stated he wants a Cup ASAP before he croaks. So, if they can sneak into the playoffs, then do what Tampa Bay has done the last two years by injecting players from the LTIR and then win the Cup, that's all they need. If Eichel has returned and plays for another 5-10 years, that gamble is worth all the risk for at least one Cup. It's all in or nothing for them. They'll worry about next year's team and restock as necessary.
The Flames are in the boat as Vegas in this regard. By hiring Sutter, signing Markstrom, and doubling down entering this season with the team's best forward being a pending UFA, the team is clearly in win-now mode with a very short window. I am not sure if Eichel would help or not, at least this season, but management probably thinks so since they were in on him.

We seem to be in win-now mode while the GM is still in on everything because he knows that winning now with the team as it is, is a bit of a long shot.

(by win-now, I mean win the Cup or coming close at least, not just making the playoffs)
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So does this mean that Monahan would have agreed to waive his no trade? Or would this have been the same as the Kadri no deal?
Is Monahan enjoying superstars Lucic and Lewis that much

They may assist on finding a pto when his contract is up
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There's simply no justification for Brad staying in the game as long as he did if he knew he was never going to beat Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd. And obviously, he did know he wouldn't beat that.

He could've said 'we're out' in September. And as much as I would have disagreed with it philosophically, it's not my job, so I could only be so upset.

But in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he had to be 'in on everything', and in classic Brad Try Hard Treliving fashion, he dragged this out knowing full well he wasn't going to meet the asking price because he wanted the press coverage.

It's embarrassing.
Tre would of been equally chastised for not trying hard enough if he said in September, "We've given our best deal, they didn't want it, time to move on".

I think what people are forgetting is that it takes two parties to make a trade. If Friedman is to be believed, our offer was something to the tune of Monahan + 3 "top" prospects + picks. In our eyes (both mgmt + fans), the Flames offer was better, but that doesn't mean Adam's is going to take it. If Adam's decided to forgo that offer for Vegas's offer, what else is Brad supposed to do? Are we supposed to change Monahan to Lindholm?
Krebs wasn't put into the offer until this past week (per Boomer+Pinder), which is most likely why Tre was in it until the very end. Had Vegas been adamant on not adding Krebs, Eichel could very well be a Flame right now.

There's a lot of things you can put on Tre, but I think how the Eichel transaction was handled probably isn't one of them.
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