[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[TheIronMaiden]

None of the other trades BT 'missed out on' bother me. But this one felt like the timing was right for the Flames. Lets hope the 1st round pick we kept turns into a star.

[HighLifeMan]

Man the Fan960 crew is unbearable to listen to in regards to how much they undervalue any Flames asset.

Please explain to me how Peyton Krebs is worth just as much (if not more) as Connor Zary and Jakob Pelletier combined.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suppose. I guess it depends on your definition of elite. I don't consider Gillies an elite player, nor Glenn Anderson.

I just consider "elite" a description of skill at a particular moment.

HOF is more accomplishment based than skill based. I think Newy made it based on rings with different teams. I think Gilmour made it based on Toronto.

In Newy's time in Calgary, he was nowhere near being in the handful of the best centres in the game, which is kind of how I view elite. His best year he was 22nd in scoring. Now TBF, he played when Gretzky/Lemieux/Yzerman/Hawerchuk/Messier/Sakic/Lindros/Oates/Lafontaine did.

51 goals as a rookie screams elite to me.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Man the Fan960 crew is unbearable to listen to in regards to how much they undervalue any Flames asset.

Please explain to me how Peyton Krebs is worth just as much (if not more) as Connor Zary and Jakob Pelletier combined.

I mean, clearly the Sabres agreed.

Seems that Zary and Pelletier are just overvalued by Flames fans.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Nazem Kadri could have been had for TJ Brodie, if the reports are true.
This one hurts, but Kadri nixed it because he wanted to stay in Toronto. Can you blame the Flames for that?

Actually, I can. Players nixing deals to the Flames is possibility indicative of the club's reputation and ability to build a winner.

Calgary will always have the struggles related to being a colder climate and smaller market, true. But there are things they can control, and one of them is being able to build a winner. The more the Flames stay mediocre, and the more they continue to be in the news as being the team that couldn't get the deal done, the more it affects the reputation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

51 goals as a rookie screams elite to me.

Newy may have been elite, that's not my point at all. He certainly was an elite rookie. But rookie success can't = elite all by itself.

Being in the HOF =/= elite player IMO.

As for Newy, unfortunately he never equaled the stats success he had in his first three seasons. Fortunately it didn't matter - he won rings everywhere he went, either as the centrepiece or as a great complementary guy.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

Some of you are getting pretty cocky with the Flames hot start and Vegas slow start with boatloads of injuries.

Pretty small sample size compared to the previous 4 seasons track record where they have probably been the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league overall.

Both the Flames and Oilers records are very much prone to crumbling over the next 74 games.

Its 1/10 of the season.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I mean, clearly the Sabres agreed.

Seems that Zary and Pelletier are just overvalued by Flames fans.

?

There is zero reason to believe Calgary offered both those prospects together, so no, I would not say Buffalo agreed with that.

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Man the Fan960 crew is unbearable to listen to in regards to how much they undervalue any Flames asset.

Please explain to me how Peyton Krebs is worth just as much (if not more) as Connor Zary and Jakob Pelletier combined.

It's not that unbearable. It could be worse. Listen to any Edmonton Sports media. Those guys over value every Edmonton asset to ever be associated with the team. Unfortunately for the people and fans of Edmonton, it causes them to behave the way they do. A good chunk of Oilers fans are unbearable.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Both the Flames and Oilers records are very much prone to crumbling over the next 74 games.

Its 1/10 of the season.

Our great start is also on the backs of:

Lindholm shooting 29.2%
Mangiapane shooting 35%
Markstrom rolling a 1.56 and .947

Now, systematic play has been strong - but something tells me the numbers above aren't quite going to stand up over the course of the season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Actually, I can. Players nixing deals to the Flames is possibility indicative of the club's reputation and ability to build a winner.

Calgary will always have the struggles related to being a colder climate and smaller market, true. But there are things they can control, and one of them is being able to build a winner. The more the Flames stay mediocre, and the more they continue to be in the news as being the team that couldn't get the deal done, the more it affects the reputation.

Possibly, but I doubt it. Kadri liked Toronto. He also likely thought, as many did, that Colorado was an elite team. But in any event, I would bet every Canadian team except Toronto is on MNTCs.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I mean, clearly the Sabres agreed.

Seems that Zary and Pelletier are just overvalued by Flames fans.

Or people are overvaluing Krebs.

Only time will tell. Because based on just their production in the WHL and QMJHL - Zary, Krebs, and Pelletier are all very similar and both Pelletier and Zary are actually younger.

If the other pieces to a trade were:

Monahan+1st vs Tuch + 1st

And you take Krebs over taking potentially 3 of the Flames Top Prospects (Valimaki, Pelletier, Zary, Coronato, Wolf). Then it's that people are overvaluing Krebs, not that Flames fans overvalue Zary or Pelletier.

(Although that overlooks that it's possible that Buffalo also just wanted Tuch with term a lot more than they wanted Monahan).

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

?

There is zero reason to believe Calgary offered both those prospects together, so no, I would not say Buffalo agreed with that.

We don't know. Friedman said "3 top prospects" was in the offer from the Flames...I would assume those two would be part of that "3 top prospects" conversation.

[GioforPM]

One thing - Krebs can play in the Sabres' lineup right now. Zary can't.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Our great start is also on the backs of:

Lindholm shooting 29.2%
Mangiapane shooting 35%
Markstrom rolling a 1.56 and .947

Now, systematic play has been strong - but something tells me the numbers above aren't quite going to stand up over the course of the season.

They also don't need to win games 4-0 and 5-1...it's not like they are barely winning.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Our great start is also on the backs of:

Lindholm shooting 29.2%
Mangiapane shooting 35%
Markstrom rolling a 1.56 and .947

Now, systematic play has been strong - but something tells me the numbers above aren't quite going to stand up over the course of the season.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the Flames are going to continue their 128 point pace, but given the strong underlying numbers, I don't see why 99-103 points isn't possible.

[guzzy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It has been made clear multiple times that LTIR does not transfer between teams. The Flames would have had to clear cap space for Eichel, and then put him on LTIR. Whereas Vegas could clear the space temporarily just by moving Stone from regular IR to LTIR.

Besides, Eichel was never on LTIR in Buffalo to begin with. They didn't need the extra cap room.

My bad. So they would have made a paper transaction to clear the space and put Eichel on LTIR. Same ####, different pile

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

Some of you are getting pretty cocky with the Flames hot start and Vegas slow start with boatloads of injuries.

Pretty small sample size compared to the previous 4 seasons track record where they have probably been the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league overall.

I wouldn't say it's cocky, I think most of us here are comfortable in saying the flames can't keep this pace up and are optimistic that a good level of success can be sustained. One difference to years past is that the underlying stats are pretty good, and they are generally playing with the lead rather than banking on being the comeback kids.

Likewise, Vegas is where they are due to their injury problems. And since their big acquisition wont be ready until the Olympic break-ish (or later if it's believed they can pull a Tampa), it means they need to get back to form without him, which is compounded by how many big names are out of service at the moment.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the Flames are going to continue their 128 point pace, but given the strong underlying numbers, I don't see why 99-103 points isn't possible.

We still have series with the Kings, Kraken, Canucks and Coyotes ahead of us. And even more depleted Vegas team in the first half at least.

100 points is more reachable than its ever been.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Possibly, but I doubt it. Kadri liked Toronto. He also likely thought, as many did, that Colorado was an elite team. But in any event, I would bet every Canadian team except Toronto is on MNTCs.

As I understood it, Kadri believed by refusing the trade, he just wouldn't be traded. So it wasn't even about preferring somewhere else to Calgary as much as it was just trying to stay put.