[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by jroc

Can we get a poll? I'd be very curious about the results. Suggested responses:

How do you feel now that the Eichel drama has come to a close?:

- Pissed! The Flames are forever stuck in mediocrity and needed to make a big splash for a true #1 Center
- Dodged a bullet! Too much to risk for a player coming off a major neck surgery.
- On the fence.

Because this isn't leading at all...

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I hope Adams takes Weekes out for a real nice dinner. Because Weekes lost some credibility around the league with that stunt. Here’s what an NHL exec had to say about it:



There’s a reason Friedman is discrete (or call it vague) in his role as an insider; he knows he can’t burn his sources or be seen as a patsy for a GM.

Weekes loses credibility here for sure.

[djsFlames]

Eichel is gonna look so bad in those rags.

Poor kid.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Because this isn't leading at all...

everyone should be on the fence

100% rests on what Eichel is when he comes back...nobody can say anything else with certainty.

What if he never plays again?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Some thoughts after shovelling my way through the whole thread:



What do you mean, ‘again’? The Flames have never had an elite first-line centre. The closest they ever had was Kent Nilsson, and he only played that way for one year. Even in '89, the elite centres in the league were Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, Messier, with a case to be made for Nicholls, Savard, and Hawerchuk. What they did have was two legitimate (but not top-tier) #1s in Gilmour and Nieuwendyk.

Gilmour and Nieuwendyk are in the HHOF. That qualifies as elite, full stop. They were in their prime here too.

You just compared them to four of the greatest who have ever played the game.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Because this isn't leading at all...

So suggest different wording.
Or continue to complain about literally everything.

[dino7c]

Vegas didn't "find a way"

they can't ice their current roster...they still need to find a way

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Gilmour and Nieuwendyk are in the HHOF. That qualifies as elite, full stop. They were in their prime here too.

You just compared them to four of the greatest who have ever played the game.

Counterpoint: Kevin Lowe

[Stanley]

The overreaction on here is hilarious...

[NewFan]

I'm disappointed not because we didn't get Eichel. I'm disappointed that we always seems have lesser valued player or prospect than other teams. May be if we were a popular team like Toronto or LV, Zary, Valimaki or other prospects could have ranked higher.

[dino7c]

Eichel has a LONG way to go to be in Nieuwendyk's skates...this is getting stupid

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So suggest different wording.
Or continue to complain about literally everything.

How do you feel about missing out on Eichel?

- Happy we didn’t get him
- Would have been nice but whatever, at least we didn’t give up the farm
- Devastated, my life is over after I vote in this poll because I’m actually gonna pull the trigger, something that loser Bradley could never do.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Gilmour and Nieuwendyk are in the HHOF. That qualifies as elite, full stop. They were in their prime here too.

Gilmour wasn't in his prime yet. He only became an elite centre in Toronto, after getting a surgical procedure to repair a constriction in his airway. After that, he had better fitness and endurance and could play a lot more high-intensity minutes, and it showed in his counting stats. He was never that player in Calgary, because he was physically unable to do it.

Nieuwendyk was a one-dimensional sniper in his younger days. He scored a lot of goals, but was not a good playmaker and was not good defensively. He, too, changed his game dramatically, beginning after he suffered that catastrophic knee injury in (I believe) '91. He never scored 40 goals again, but was a much more complete player. But he was never a franchise centreman.

You just compared them to four of the greatest who have ever played the game.

Those were the elite centres in the NHL at that time. Gilmour and Nieuwendyk weren't.

[FlamesAddiction]

I didn't even want Eichel. Acquiring him in a deal that included any roster players would have hurt the team on the ice for the remainder of the season, without question. And if he doesn't return to form, it would have hurt the ability of the team to build for the future.

So why do I still feel so pissed off? Lol

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by dino7c

everyone should be on the fence

100% rests on what Eichel is when he comes back...nobody can say anything else with certainty.

What if he never plays again?

For sure this is the crux of the trade. Basically came down to, do you want to gamble and get one of the top 10 players in the NHL who could be damaged goods or is the risk too great.

The thing I admire about Vegas is they are willing to take these chances, as much as I hate them I agree with the philosophy. It's an entertainment business, so mix it up, give us storylines and take chances. This calibre and age of player will never be on the market again for this price in the next half decade.

The flames trotting out the exact same roster as last year minus Gio plus Coleman and expecting a hugely different outcome, to me defies logic a little.

I totally get the younger fans today who are really disappointed and am a little less sympathetic to the older "everything will be fine" fans who seem to have accepted a mediocre product and a low risk strategy because it could go wrong if you take the chance. That being said I understand that Treliving might have done everything in his power to make change and just been unable to do it because the Sabres love Krebs so much and were just unwilling to deal with him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Gilmour wasn't in his prime yet. He only became an elite centre in Toronto, after getting a surgical procedure to repair a constriction in his airway. After that, he had better fitness and endurance and could play a lot more high-intensity minutes, and it showed in his counting stats. He was never that player in Calgary, because he was physically unable to do it.

Nieuwendyk was a one-dimensional sniper in his younger days. He scored a lot of goals, but was not a good playmaker and was not good defensively. He, too, changed his game dramatically, beginning after he suffered that catastrophic knee injury in (I believe) '91. He never scored 40 goals again, but was a much more complete player. But he was never a franchise centreman.



Those were the elite centres in the NHL at that time. Gilmour and Nieuwendyk weren't.

Maybe but you are saying Eichel is in that class with the all time elite lol


Eichel prays he has the career of Nieuwendyk

[FireFly]

Thank God.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Eichel has a LONG way to go to be in Nieuwendyk's skates...this is getting stupid

Apparently Nieuwendyk only qualifies as "legitimate". I guess Eichel would be sub par based on that classification?

What a weird place today.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Matty81

For sure this is the crux of the trade. Basically came down to, do you want to gamble and get one of the top 10 players in the NHL who could be damaged goods or is the risk too great.

The thing I admire about Vegas is they are willing to take these chances, as much as I hate them I agree with the philosophy. It's an entertainment business, so mix it up, give us storylines and take chances. This calibre and age of player will never be on the market again for this price in the next half decade.

The flames trotting out the exact same roster as last year minus Gio plus Coleman and expecting a hugely different outcome, to me defies logic a little.

I totally get the younger fans today who are really disappointed and am a little less sympathetic to the older "everything will be fine" fans who seem to have accepted a mediocre product and a low risk strategy because it could go wrong if you take the chance. That being said I understand that Treliving might have done everything in his power to make change and just been unable to do it because the Sabres love Krebs so much and were just unwilling to deal with him.

You should probably take another look at the roster, and the record thus far

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I hope Adams takes Weekes out for a real nice dinner. Because Weekes lost some credibility around the league with that stunt. Here’s what an NHL exec had to say about it:



There’s a reason Friedman is discrete (or call it vague) in his role as an insider; he knows he can’t burn his sources or be seen as a patsy for a GM.

Discrete = separate
Discreet = quiet, close-mouthed

for the grammarian comment.