[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A plan that is basically based on landing both Bedard and Wright isn't a plan.

On top of that, there are more teams that have drafted top 3 that haven't made even the conference finals than teams that haven't drafted top 3 and made them.

Tanking is something fools cheer for. It is hopes and prayers. You don't cut the legs out under a team that is doing well to hope for a top 3 pick. It's just terrible odds.

You're statistically more likely to make the finals without drafting there, and even some of the cup winners over the last 15 years that drafted top 3 won the cup without that pick playing for them, or more than 10 years after they made it.

It's foolish stuff. I'm not cheering for a tank so that we can hope for success in a decade when we have something worth cheering for now. What a waste.

[dino7c]

You can't draft first overall twice in a row anyway...

even if you are planning on finishing dead last for the 20% chance which is already a pretty bad plan to expect that to happen twice

[Iginla]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can't draft first overall twice in a row anyway...

even if you are planning on finishing dead last for the 20% chance which is already a pretty bad plan to expect that to happen twice

You should add,

*After Edmonton did it so many times to the beginning of that sentence (just cause they suck).

[mile]

Disappointed to see the news at first but am also glad this is over, following the Eichel trade rumours over these last three months has been exhausting. It’s time to move on.

Hopefully the Flames continue their strong play and put themselves in a great position to make the playoffs. I’m sure will be other ways to improve the team at the deadline that we don’t even know yet.
Vegas is going to have move some significant players to make all of this work, it’d be cool if we were the beneficiaries of that.

And I hope this backfires and they miss the playoffs. Screw them

[dino7c]

time will tell if this is the Karlsson trade or the Thorton trade

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[CSharp]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Monahan has to remind me he exists, I guess. That way we can get a return for him now that the Eichel hope is over.

While the reality that you couldn't win back to back 1st overalls is real and something I forgot about - in that hypothetical scenario that you did somehow acquire both Wright and Bedard:

I would move Lindholm to Bedard's RW actually, and Dube to Wright's LW. It's okay to move centres to the wing if you have better centres.

Mangiapane - Bedard - Lindholm
Dube - Wright - Coleman
Pellettier - Backlund - ??

Not sure what the problem is. Looks like a rocksolid core. Even if you only get one out of the two though, and you end up hooped with a lesser pick this year

Mangiapane - Bedard - 4-7th OA pick
Dube - Lindholm - Coleman
Pellettier - Backlund - ??

Still not a bad place to be.

There's zero chance Flames are gonna have Bedard or Wright when they can't and won't tank at the opportune times. Even when given the opportunity to get an elite player, it never happened. Now with Sutter running the show behind the bench, there's absolutely no chance in hell the Flames will position themselves for a high lottery pick in the next two years. Nobody in their right mind would trade their positional picks away in a deep draft year with generational hyped prospects involved. Keep dreaming if you think that's gonna happen.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not sure how many points to expect playing with Lucic and Lewis

More than 0. In 15 games no less.

Even Vladar has a point.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I have a feeling eichel won't make a difference like he never made a difference for Buffalo.

Buffalo sucks. Vegas is already a perennial contender and they just added an elite #1C in his prime.

Better hope Lehner sucks, or else he and McDavid are going to own the Flames asses for the next half decade.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by dino7c

time will tell if this is the Karlsson trade or the Thorton trade

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It's quite possible that we won't know until next season at the earliest. Eichel can't help VGK get into the playoffs this year, they already have a lot of ground to make up, and their goaltending is poor.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Buffalo sucks. Vegas is already a perennial contender and they just added an elite #1C in his prime.

Better hope Lehner sucks, or else he and McDavid are going to own the Flames asses for the next half decade.

Maybe

and they aren't just adding they need to subtract...not sure why this is so complicated

They need to drop multiple 5M players and Tuch is gone

[Wastedyouth]

Lehner isn't Fleury.

Vegas is gonna be trash.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Well... we better sign Gaudreau now.

He'll probably ####ing sign in Vegas

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Buffalo sucks. Vegas is already a perennial contender and they just added an elite #1C in his prime.

Better hope Lehner sucks, or else he and McDavid are going to own the Flames asses for the next half decade.

Whether he will still be elite and in his prime remains to be seen. I'm skeptical. As I have mentioned earlier in this thread, success of this surgery is measured in terms of improvement in pain and neurologic function versus the pre-operative state, not in complete resolution of symptoms, and in fact, it's quite uncommon for symptoms to completely resolve.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He'll probably ####ing sign in Vegas

To put them over 100M in cap?

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Would like to know this too. Was it a rumor from a credible source or just something tossed around.

all the talk in St. Louis was just speculation and hypotheticals. What would it take to get Tkachuk from the Flames? And the local equivalent of the FAN 960 (101 ESPN) threw out names like Tarasenko, Thomas, Kyrou, Perunovich, Neighbors, and/or picks, and they further speculated it would take many pieces to get Tkachuk

Rutherford was on 101 ESPN many times saying there is no talk coming from Calgary to trade Tkachuk to the Blues. It was just wishful thinking to bring home a young star St. Louis boy

As for Tarasenko, all of the summer rumors involved the Rangers, Islanders and Hurricanes, with significant cap retention, which Armstrong refused

[Mr.Coffee]

I think it was a big mistake with large implications for Calgary not to figure this out.

Being a Flames fan is tough.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

To put them over 100M in cap?

Rotating players on and off LTIR island until the playoffs roll around.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wouldn’t be surprised in a years time Coronato’s value >>> Krebs.

I might add Zary as well, Peyton Krebs must have voodoo dolls of people, undersized center with 1 secondary assist in 13 NHL games, he has 1 goal and 9 assists in 7 AHL games but 6 of those points were powerplay points! good skater and good playmaker in the junior ranks but I suspect his muffin of an NHL shot will likely hold back his NHL dreams.

[nieuwy-89]

Wowsa! 37 page thread about a trade we aren't even involved in!

I feel bad for all the fans who had their hopes raised by irresponsible "reporters". The fabricated gossip mill that surround pro sports is a total joke. Someone once described it to me as "soap operas for guys" and I can't agree more.

My kids had their hopes raised and went to bed last night thinking we were getting a new superstar. As much as I tried to downplay and manage expectations, they were crushed this morning. Like really crushed.

Its just an unfortunate situation for the fans, for the players named in the rumours, for Sutter having to answer asinine questions for the last 3 days, for team cohesion. I'm glad its over and I hope the Flames continue to play well and do some damage this year.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah but who cares?

First step: become a team worth worrying about maintaining
Second step: maintain that team

Vegas has been jumping around cap landmines for years because they've managed to accomplish Step 1.

Sometimes I think Vegas gets too much credit for making these big moves.

They did really, really well in the expansion draft. Had a team that was a Stanley Cup finalist, and had a wealth of assets in terms of draft picks on top of that.

But fact remains that their most successful season both in terms of playoff performance and regular season results is that inaugural season.

They've made big moves since then, used all of that draft capital from the expansion draft, have a weak prospect pool now, and aren't actually considerably better than they were on that first season on the ice.

Bigger names, but not actually that much better. I sometimes wonder if they just used all that cap space to get guys in UFA instead like they did with Pietrangelo, instead of moving guys like Suzuki for Pacioretty.

Honestly I give them credit for this trade and the Stone trade though - don't feel like they gave up too much for either of those guys. Both just eat up a lot of cap space though.