[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Buffalo tanked to get McDavid. They lost that lottery to the Oilers and they are still spinning their wheels and picking 1st every 2nd draft.

Yes, poorly managed teams squander opportunities. Drafting Eichel instead of McDavid isn't what did Buffalo in.

[Dajazz]

We can’t match that without destroying our future and current roster. For a broken neck player.

Zary, Pelletier don’t come close.

It’s Tkachuk plus firsts plus prospect to get to that value. No way taking that gamble.

Check the standings. Vegas is worse now and might be, might be, better in one year. Assuming he gets back to 100%.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They didn't offer Tkachuk though is the point



Monahan probably was offered but he probably doesn't have a ton of value

If Treliving went in dangling Monahan, he was never in this trade. Maybe he needs to stop pretending he's in every deal to make it look like he's working hard.

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[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The time to declare a rebuild is the minute you've established that you can't get Gaudreau re-signed to a fair extension. He can't be your "own rental" like Brodie a couple years ago.

It isn't going to happen though. Flames are way more likely to let Gaudreau walk for nothing to try and get into the playoffs.

Extension or not, the only way Gaudreau is traded is if the Flames are way out of a playoff spot and Treliving is canned.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They didn't offer Tkachuk though is the point

Monahan probably was offered but he probably doesn't have a ton of value

Yeah, though even if they offered Tkachuk, Buffalo is only looking at his as a future TDL chip, not as a permanent asset, and maybe they didn't think the return on him is as good as 5 years of Tuch.

[Gaskal]

Ok so they have to move... 9.5 million off the current roster now that they traded Tuch.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454236298470838274

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454236299745894405

Smith is probably gone for pennies on the dollar so thats 4.25 out, leaving 4.75. Probably have to try and let go of Marchessault for cheap. Two more from the original expansion draft out the door.

But if I'm any other GM around the league I wait until the offseason to pull a trigger on a Marchessault or Karlsson bargain bin because why would I give a freebies team like Vegas more help... let's see how you tap dance around the return of your savior without someone taking salary off your payroll.

They didn't blow their whole leg off, but they definitely shot themselves in the foot. If that makes any sense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

If Treliving went in dangling Monahan, he was never in this trade. Maybe he needs to stop pretending he's in every deal to make it look like he's working hard.

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The only Tuch comparable is Mangiapane and he's gonna cost more next year. Probably far more. Tkachuk was probably a non-starter from both sides.

The only Krebs comparable is Zary and for whatever reason, Buffalo prefers Krebs.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Fact is, the Flames don’t have a prospect as good as Krebs, or a young, cost-controlled skater as good as Tuch (except for Lindholm and Hanifin), so they weren’t going to beat the Knight’s offer unless they completely gutted the prospect pool.

Again, why didn’t the Kings beat that offer? Or the Ducks? Or Rangers? Are those GMs all morons?

Given how wildly inflated some of the offers around here were - packages higher than anything we’ve seen an NHL player return in more than 20 years - there was bound to be disbelief when the deal was finally announced, and disappointment when it wasn’t the Flames.

Vegas made the highest bid in the NHL. Every other team thought that bid - a front-line but not elite C prospect, young tip-six winger on a good contract, protected first, net loss of $5 mil in cap space - was too high. There was no bidding war. Maybe the collective braintrust of the NHL had it right, and the fans bandying around wild trade proposals had it wrong.

I think the cap was a significant issue. Buffalo would have needed to take significant cap back from Calgary in the form of players they didn’t want, or retain some of the cap hit. With Vegas they only pay for the players they want.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Weekes should out his source.

I can't tell if your comment is sincere or in jest, but I think he absolutely should. Especially, in these sensitive situations, where teams can suffer consequences of the involved players' mentality change caused by the rumour. And double that, if the rumour is false (i.e. completely fabricated by anyone).

We have discussed here before the difference between an opinion ("Tkachuk+ would be a good trade for Eichel") vs. a credible rumour ("I hear that Tkuchuk+ is being offered by the Flames"). Sports analysts are fully within their rights to disseminate rumours if they received them from credible sources (whomever those sources are). So, if someone from the Sabres camp told them about Tkachuk being offered and that was true, this would be unethical and in breach of confidentiality, which should be implied in these situations. But if that was blatantly false, they should be penalized severely for that. This is plain wrong.

[ComixZone]

I'm guessing with Eichel already out of the Olympics (likely) due to timing of surgery, I'm sure they'll just let him sit on LTIR until the playoffs as he rehabs.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The only Tuch comparable is Mangiapane and he's gonna cost more next year. Probably far more. Tkachuk was probably a non-starter from both sides.

The only Krebs comparable is Zary and for whatever reason, Buffalo prefers Krebs.

Mangiapane will not make more than $5 million on a long term deal. If so, maybe $5.25.

His shooting percentage will calm down and he will likely end up as a 20 goal 50 point guy.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

$10.369M in cap dumps or wait until the playoffs. And in fact the amount of cap dumped will have to be even more than that, because the players moved will need to be replaced.

Wouldn’t things be pro-rated by then or do they have to absorb the whole cap hit?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Wouldn’t things be pro-rated by then or do they have to absorb the whole cap hit?

My understanding is that teams taking advantage of exceeding the cap due to using the LTIR, cannot have accrued cap space during the season.

I am sure Vegas already has a plan in place to game the system and aren't worried at all.

[Jordan!]

I'm shocked that sooooo many Flames fans wanted Eichel. It's pretty obvious he's not interested in playing in a market like Buffalo/Calgary and probably less so that it was Canada. Bad fit all around.

[JurassicTunga12]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456306304633348100

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456309605781307394

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Mangiapane will not make more than $5 million on a long term deal. If so, maybe $5.25.

His shooting percentage will calm down and he will likely end up as a 20 goal 50 point guy.

Then Tuch is an even bigger bargain, since he's a 70 point guy (with third line minutes), and also huge.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Then Tuch is an even bigger bargain, since he's a 70 point guy (with third line minutes), and also huge.

Tuch is a 70 point player? Since when?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Then Tuch is an even bigger bargain, since he's a 70 point guy (with third line minutes), and also huge.

Citation needed on the 70 points...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I can't tell if your comment is sincere or in jest, but I think he absolutely should. Especially, in these sensitive situations, where teams can suffer consequences of the involved players' mentality change caused by the rumour. And double that, if the rumour is false (i.e. completely fabricated by anyone).

We have discussed here before the difference between an opinion ("Tkachuk+ would be a good trade for Eichel") vs. a credible rumour ("I hear that Tkuchuk+ is being offered by the Flames"). Sports analysts are fully within their rights to disseminate rumours if they received them from credible sources (whomever those sources are). So, if someone from the Sabres camp told them about Tkachuk being offered and that was true, this would be unethical and in breach of confidentiality, which should be implied in these situations. But if that was blatantly false, they should be penalized severely for that. This is plain wrong.

It was in jest because he won't but serious because, yeah, if he was misled with those consequences he should burn that source.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I think some of these reporters (Weekes/MacFarlane) need to apologize for their lazy reporting and should be seriously questioning the credibility of their "sources".

Pretty unacceptable and irresponsible to be putting those rumours out there that clearly had no traction. Not only does it suck for the fans, but it's unfair to the players too. What a circus of Mickey Mouse reporting.

You can tell within that industry it's super important in a chest thumping way to be the one to break news...which is extremely dangerous, because it leads to misinformation in their race to break things first. I wonder if any in the industry realize we as the general public DO NOT CARE who breaks the freakin story first, just get it right!!