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Old 11-04-2021, 10:16 AM   #541
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If Tuch is injury prone what does that make Eichel?
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I think this sums up the situation pretty well


https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/st...40839970095104
Yeah, but... Treliving needs to go! .... he's terrible because.... because he couldn't force Adams to take a deal that Adams didn't want to make.
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Wow, solid deal for Vegas. Great move by them. Eichel is a stud and a top 5 center in the league when healthy.

Tuch is injured so that doesn’t even hurt them this year until Eichel comes back.
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:16 AM   #544
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Pretty much the return that was speculated many months ago. Glad we didn't take this gamble and can just focus on winning. Vegas could miss the playoffs this year, they will be in tough to get home ice advantage this season imo. Not many players come back strong after missing a year, so I'm not worried about playing them in the playoffs. Next season Vegas will be in a horrible cap situation as well so not too worried about following seasons either.
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:19 AM   #545
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Friedman talking about Calgary

“Tkachuk was never on the table”
“Got the impression that Adams may have got an earful last night for his name being mentioned”
“flames offer was always about our best picks and prospects”
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Friedman talking about Calgary

“Tkachuk was never on the table”
“Got the impression that Adams may have got an earful last night for his name being mentioned”
“flames offer was always about our best picks and prospects”
Again, I can't wait to see how the Flames manage Tkachuk's value over the years and the results of building around him after making him never an option to be traded, even for a key part of championship teams that the team hasn't had for decades
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:20 AM   #547
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Friedman talking about Calgary

“Tkachuk was never on the table”
“Got the impression that Adams may have got an earful last night for his name being mentioned”
“flames offer was always about our best picks and prospects”

It says a lot about where this team is at that their best picks and prospects couldn’t top a 17th overall pick.
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:22 AM   #548
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Someone made this point earlier, but this is a failure on Tre directly. Part of his job needs to be a salesman of our players. He clearly has very little rapport or credibility league wide as we are constantly seemingly undervalued in trade situations. That or our prospects are not good, which stats seem to indicate is not the case, but history would indicate is the more likely scenario.
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:22 AM   #549
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It says a lot about where this team is at that their best picks and prospects couldn’t top a 17th overall pick.
I wouldn’t be surprised in a years time Coronato’s value >>> Krebs.
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It says a lot about where this team is at that their best picks and prospects couldn’t top a 17th overall pick.
The Flames really need this recent crop of 1st round picks (Pelletier, Zary, Coronato) to turn into something.
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Bold prediction, but in 4 years time, Sabres fans will be lamenting on the missed opportunity to get Coronato, but instead now has a medicore Krebs.

Yes, my bias is showing, but whatever. I'm sticking to it lol.
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If Tuch is injury prone what does that make Eichel?
No doubt. He’s never played a full season. Only one that even came close actually. The narrative around Eichel is insane. I firmly believe if he wasn’t a former no. 2 overall pick there wouldn’t be this hype/sweepstakes around him. He’s had a pretty underwhelming career all considering.

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Well, that's a bit disappointing...

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I think some of these reporters (Weekes/MacFarlane) need to apologize for their lazy reporting and should be seriously questioning the credibility of their "sources".

Pretty unacceptable and irresponsible to be putting those rumours out there that clearly had no traction. Not only does it suck for the fans, but it's unfair to the players too. What a circus of Mickey Mouse reporting.
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:26 AM   #555
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Treliving should openly blast Adams, Buffalo and the insiders on this. Openly using his players in public for leverage.

Honestly, I am disappointed that we didn’t get Eichel but there are legit question marks about his health. Flames had a price in mind and didn’t want to pay any more.
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:27 AM   #556
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If Tuch is injury prone what does that make Eichel?
Uh. Injury prone? Vegas just upgraded their 25 year old middle six RW for a 25 year old #1 C. Injury proneness aside, you make that deal every day of the week.
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It says a lot about where this team is at that their best picks and prospects couldn’t top a 17th overall pick.
So we should have sucked more to get a higher pick to make the deal?? What if we had a superior player( and as far as I’m concerned we do) but Krebs was what they wanted because they see top line potential in Krebs?

The leaps that are being made here are just ridiculous. This isn’t bidding for a house where the highest dollar figure will always win its more of a barter where you have to have something the other guy wants.
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Old 11-04-2021, 10:28 AM   #558
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How is there a tanking discussion here? The team is 6-1-2. And it's not like they're getting lucky, they're obliterating their opponents in terms of the flow of play, and their big FA acquisition goalie is finally playing like one. I'm sure there will be dips here and there but every indication is that this team should win the division. Absolutely, utterly insane to suggest tanking for a high pick.

As far as the Vegas LTIR situation goes, if they pull a Kucherov with any of those guys and go on a deep run the NHL is going to have to change its rules (i.e. if you're not in the lineup and counting against the cap the week before the playoffs you don't get to play in round 1).
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It says a lot about where this team is at that their best picks and prospects couldn’t top a 17th overall pick.
I think Krebs is better than Pelletier.

But I don't think he's clearly better than Zary.

And based on his pre-draft season, and his early University results I think Coronato might end up being the better prospect.

I think Buffalo really, really overvalued Krebs in this whole negotiation.

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How is there a tanking discussion here? The team is 6-1-2. And it's not like they're getting lucky, they're obliterating their opponents in terms of the flow of play, and their big FA acquisition goalie is finally playing like one. I'm sure there will be dips here and there but every indication is that this team should win the division. Absolutely, utterly insane to suggest tanking for a high pick.

As far as the Vegas LTIR situation goes, if they pull a Kucherov with any of those guys and go on a deep run the NHL is going to have to change its rules (i.e. if you're not in the lineup and counting against the cap the week before the playoffs you don't get to play in round 1).
That or "The total salary cap hit of your signed roster for the playoffs needs to be cap compliant"

That way if the injured player is truly hurt then he can come back, but you'd need to make a decision about who drops off the roster.

Would make for some interesting decisions - Do you dress McNabb, Smith, and Stephenson or do you dress Eichel?

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Old 11-04-2021, 10:31 AM   #560
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It says a lot about where this team is at that their best picks and prospects couldn’t top a 17th overall pick.
His draft slot doesn't represent his value. He dropped in the draft because he had an Achilles injury. Absent that he would have gone much higher and has progressed well since being drafted.
In a re-draft he goes much higher. Downside is a strong second line player, upside is a front line player.
He's a good prospect.
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