[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456288282824695809

I wonder how Treliving feels about Adams/Brisson or whoever leaked that false rumor to get Vegas back to the table? Obviously the last 36 hours have been a distraction here in Calgary and I am sure Treliving had to do damage control over this.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by GhostCookie

Last I looked, pretty much all their big LTIR contracts are expected back by around the Olympic break. Contrary to popular belief, Vegas can't "Kucherov" the situation, because he will be back well before the salary cap stops mattering, and it's highly unlikely they find a way to drag it out an additional 6-8 weeks. Kucherov worked out the way it did because it lined up perfectly with the playoffs. Anything the Knights do to delay Eichel will be pretty obvious and the other 31 GM's will be pretty quick to cry foul and force the NHL's hand on the matter.

The biggest problem Vegas will have is the off season. With everyone back, they will have nearly 78mil tied up in 16 players (9 forwards, 5 defense, 2 goalies), meaning around 4 million plus whatever the cap increases by to tie up at least 4 players, one of which is their top remaining prospect who is due for a raise. 8 of their existing contracts have some form of trade protection making it harder to turn around for good returns (9 if Eichel has something). The following year doesn't exactly yield a bunch of bad money off the books, as even though Patch's contract ends, it's not like they won't want to keep him based on how he has been prior to injury.

And lately Vegas has been exposed as not valuing player loyalty at all, which over time will raise the cost of signing FA's as most will either want to bake in NMC/NTC protection, or bank on the assumption they will get tossed for the next shiny toy Vegas finds.

Other posters are correct in saying that if Adams really badly wanted Krebs, then the cost to outbid isn't just making a somewhat better offer, but a MUCH better offer, and it probably just wouldn't be worth it.

I very seriously doubt the league will step in at any point to stop Vegas from delaying Eichel’s return. It’s a serious back injury recovery. All it will take is for eichel to say he doesn’t feel like he’s back to 100% and that he’s worried about re-injuring himself if he comes back too early. Whether it’s true or not will not matter one bit. How could the league force a player back before he and the team feel comfortable about his health. All you can do is take his word for it.

I honestly would love to see the league do something about this. But when have they ever stepped in and stopped a team from “circumventing the cap”? We all knew exactly what Tampa was doing last year and the league let it happen. Eichel will just practice with the team for 2-3 months getting into “gameshape” before being ready just in time for game 1.


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[calumniate]

To me this trade was the opposite of 'it has to happen now to make sense' for the flames :d

Off season is still going to be tough though

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder how Treliving feels about Adams/Brisson or whoever leaked that false rumor to get Vegas back to the table? Obviously the last 36 hours have been a distraction here in Calgary and I am sure Treliving had to do damage control over this.

It had to be Adams

[SuperMatt18]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456233610638512132

This is true.

Teams tend to over value their own firsts...not Vegas.

Vegas first-round picks all time:

Cody Glass traded for Nolan Patrick

Nick Suzuki part of trade for Max Pacioretty

Erik Brannstrom part of trade for Mark Stone

2018 1st traded for Tomas Tatar

Peyton Krebs part of trade for Jack Eichel

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, I'm arguing that I would rather cheer for wins because I'm a fan of the team and enjoy when they're doing well. If the losses happen, they happen, but I'm not cheering for the team to tank. It's pathetic, and it's even more pathetic after a hot start where the team is playing the best they've played in years to say "it's not too late to tank." I'm not going to get into Oiler fan-tiers here, but no actual fan of a team says that. We leave that domain to losers and rivals.

Losers cheer for losses. That's how you want to operate? Go nuts. Call it whatever you want. But that stuff is embarrassing.

You're the one being embarassing with your holier-than-thou nonsense.

Literally every pro sports fanbase in North America has been perfectly on board with their team bottoming out to acquire the Mario Lemieux, Shaquille O'Neal, Eric Lindros, Tim Duncan, Chris Pronger, LeBron James, Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Connor McDavid, Auston Matthews, Nathan MacKinnon, Jack Eichel type franchise players. It doesn't always work out, but none of those fanbases were losing sleep over a few down years.

There's nothing special or more respectable about you that you'd rather make the playoffs and get bounced than acquire Connor Bedard and build a contender.

I'm sorry that you'd rather cheer for a win in November than cheer for a win in June, but that doesn't make you a superior Flames fan.

The Flames should be looking at Johnny's blistering hot pace and get the best value for him NOW. That way two years from now they aren't kicking themselves for letting him walk for nothing or worse, signing him to a 12M UFA deal. But all you want are wins today.

[8sPOT]

Now that this fiasco is over, Treliving has to figure out Johnny, Tkachuk, and Mange. Whether its extensions or trades. Lots of work left.

Would love to keep all 3, and then have all our picks going into a deep draft. Gotta think if the team can sustain the way they're playing its a possibility.

[cannon7]

The fact that the Flames couldn't beat that package is pretty hilarious to be honest. If Treliving was just trying to maximize what Vegas had to give up to get Eichel -- well, that is not what I consider a king's ransom. Rich get richer.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

https://twitter.com/user/status/1456233610638512132

This is true.

Teams tend to over value their own firsts...not Vegas.

Vegas first-round picks all time:

Cody Glass traded for Nolan Patrick

Nick Suzuki part of trade for Max Pacioretty

Erik Brannstrom part of trade for Mark Stone

2018 1st traded for Tomas Tatar

Peyton Krebs part of trade for Jack Eichel

That's great until you run out of cap

[Ashasx]

I have to say, how little the return is for Eichel is the only thing that surprised me about this trade.

If this is what it took, I don't understand why a trade didn't happen in July.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’m seeing so many of these posts, each more ridiculous than the last.

This isn’t nhl 21. You can’t just enter a trade and hit submit. The other team has to say yes.

Maybe they didn’t like our players, maybe Eichel didn’t want to come here.

Bradley (lol) can’t just force other teams to accept his proposals.

Out of likes, but thank god this is getting said!!! Far too many posters suggesting that we can just add or change whatever offer and it automatically means that we will have the other team accept whatever they, the poster, think is a good deal.

Please, let's all remember who the actual NHL GMs are here.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by calumniate

That's great until you run out of cap

The Flames have never had cap space and have been varying colours of crap the entire cap era. So...

It's baffling that the Flames have spent as much money on players as they have but have no results to show for it. Incompetence.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I have to say, how little the return is for Eichel is the only thing that surprised me about this trade.

If this is what it took, I don't understand why a trade didn't happen in July.

The Sabres probably wanted significantly more. It just wasn’t on the table.

[Fire]

I think the Sabres will look back at this deal in a few years and think about how little they got for a superstar #1 center.

Krebs is a good prospect but doesn't look like a blue chipper to me. Tuch is a good second liner with a good contract. Since the first rounder is lottery protected it could range from a bust to a decent NHL player. 2nd rounder is a total toss up.

It could easily turn out that the Sabres get the equivalent of three 2nd liners back in the deal. Which is not good enough in my opinion.

Disappointed the Flames couldn't beat it. Hopefully it doesn't work out for Vegas.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I have to say, how little the return is for Eichel is the only thing that surprised me about this trade.

If this is what it took, I don't understand why a trade didn't happen in July.

Because the Sabres wanted more in July and nobody was willing to meet that price.

[Stanley]

Meh, whatever, I'll lmfao if we beat Vegas (with Eichel) in the playoffs..

[EldrickOnIce]

Would like to see a change in rules regarding LTIR.
Maybe it's nonsense saying that, but current circumstances gave Vegas a big leg up here. Flames PR guy tweet should have told us deal with Vegas was done.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder how Treliving feels about Adams/Brisson or whoever leaked that false rumor to get Vegas back to the table? Obviously the last 36 hours have been a distraction here in Calgary and I am sure Treliving had to do damage control over this.

That rumor is what got Vegas back to the bargaining table? Please.

"Alright, you can have our injury prone middle six in Touch, a prospect with pedigree who hasn't proven anything at the NHL level in Krebs, a lottery protected first, ..." Wait. What? That's nothing close to the rumored package. What are we talking about here? It's clear the Sabres and the media were overestimating Eichels's value.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Fire

I think the Sabres will look back at this deal in a few years and think about how little they got for superstar #1 center.

Krebs is a good prospect but doesn't look like a blue chipper to me. Tuch is a good second liner with a good contract. Since the first rounder is lottery protected it could range from a bust to a decent NHL player. 2nd rounder is a total toss up.

It could easily turn out that the Sabres get the equivalent of three 2nd liners back in the deal. Which is not good enough in my opinion.

Disappointed the Flames couldn't beat it. Hopefully it doesn't work out for Vegas.

True, but the longer the trade took, the less they were going to get, especially with a player who is going to have major surgery...Its a little less that what I thought it would take however.

I remember deals people were throwing out last week with 6 assets attached, which was a huge overpay for an injured player then, and look like sheer madness now.

sucks, but who know how Eichel is going to be when he comes back...

I am just hoping that the Tkachuk rumors from last year were false and Calgary can manage to resign him.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Literally every pro sports fanbase in North America has been perfectly on board with their team bottoming out to acquire the Mario Lemieux, Shaquille O'Neal, Eric Lindros, Tim Duncan, Chris Pronger, LeBron James, Sidney Crosby, Alwx Ovechkin, Connor McDavid, Auston Matthews, Nathan MacKinnon, Jack Eichel type franchise players. It doesn't always work out, but none of those fanbases were losing sleep over a few down years.

When your team absolutely sucks then sure it's ok to be fine with bottoming out. But wanting them to lose when they don't absolutely suck and expecting them to deliberately lose is another thing.

People here were bitching and moaning last season because the team who was 6 points out of a playoff spot was still trying to pass Montreal. Not 16, not 26, 6! That's absolutely ridiculous.