Brad Treliving needs to go

[Flames_F.T.W]

It seems like if we didn't blow Gio's cap space on two #6/7 defensemen, we could have fit Eichel under the cap. That and not having extensions or trades for Gaudreau and Tkachuk make these 6 months seem like a waste

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

It seems like if we didn't blow Gio's cap space on two #6/7 defensemen, we could have fit Eichel under the cap. That and not having extensions or trades for Gaudreau and Tkachuk make these 6 months seem like a waste

I don’t think this was necessarily the hold up though. Sabres just liked the Knights offer ether.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't even think he's a bad GM. I think he's a middling GM and that's not good enough for an organization that hasn't won a Stanley Cup since 1989 and has had little in the way of success since then. There are a lot of reasons why Brad Treliving needs to go but not overpaying for Jack Eichel isn't one of them. I feel this is a case of the best move being the one you don't make.

If the flames created a bronze statue of Treliving these would be the the words immortalized on the plaque below. It’s his literal tag line the last few years.

He took way too long to get a coach of Sutters caliber and he didn’t go all in on what is for the most part a solid collection of young talent. Unfortunately half of the top 6 is due for raises at the end of the year and two of those players hold all the cards. Not an ideal position at all for this franchise and BT is the one who drove the bus to this point.

[Bingo]

I'd have to know a heck of a lot more than I currently do in order to decide if a mistake was made.

I'll wait!

[Monahammer]

Name me one good move that Brad Treliving has made as a GM in the last 3 calendar years. Signing some players in UFA to at or above market rate contracts(Coleman, Markstrom, Tanev) doesn't count.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Name me one good move that Brad Treliving has made as a GM in the last 3 calendar years. Signing some players in UFA to at or above market rate contracts(Coleman, Markstrom, Tanev) doesn't count.

Sutter.

But it’s pretty thin I’m with you there.

[Lanny_McDonald]

It's going to come down to Adams gushing over Krebs. He's going to have to defend this trade and it will come down to Adams saying the player he wanted was Krebs and no one had anything that could compete. And before some of you mental midgets that are having a meltdown start screaming about our prospects being better than theirs, it doesn't matter. Adams has a thing for Krebs. He's in love with Krebs. This is like trying to convince your buddy that your wife is hotter than his. It really doesn't matter because your buddy is in love with HIS wife. Adams had a boner for Krebs and Calgary, while having some really attractive pieces, didn't have Krebs. No Treliving's fault. And that is coming from someone who thinks Treliving is a ####ty executive officer.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Name me one good move that Brad Treliving has made as a GM in the last 3 calendar years. Signing some players in UFA to at or above market rate contracts(Coleman, Markstrom, Tanev) doesn't count.

Yeah, those good things that Treliving has done don't count!!! Only count the things that Monahammer likes!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Name me one good move that Brad Treliving has made as a GM in the last 3 calendar years.

Not many if any. That said his worst move by far was the Hamonic trade and that's why I feel the best moves can sometimes be the ones you don't make. This organization simply can't afford another trade like the Hamonic one.

[Vinny01]

I am not impressed with the last 3 years which is a huge chunk of Brad’s time here.

- Relies on free agency to change the team
- wasted years of the core with bad coach after bad coach
- pathetic coaches were huge contributing factors for the highest pick in franchise history not working out. Player is traded when value is depressed for a 2nd and mediocre prospect. Bennett currently has 22pts in 18 games as a Panther
- Hamonic deal was an utter disaster that has had ripple effects for years that are finally clearing
- best playoff performance came in year 2 of the rebuild

The biggest concerns I currently have are the potential futures of Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Do the Flames build around 2 wingers? Do they lose both for nothing while they are trying to win?

I see very little reason to have confidence in Treliving anymore. I personally would rather hear the Flames are not interested in a player than constantly being referred to as a team that is very much in on a player to only find out we were not close. This core has won 3 Stanley Cup playoff games since 2015.

For a guy who says the team needed significant changes after the season and all that happened was losing Gio for nothing and giving Coleman and Gudbransen his money while spending a pick and space on popcorn eater Zadorov.

I feel like I was a patient fan. I was ready to give Treliving this summer to make the changes to this core and he failed. The team is off to a great start so let’s see how they do but if this team doesn’t get past the first 2 rounds I think it is time to fire him.

[Bingo]

What is the average tenure for a GM in the NHL these days?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Name me one good move that Brad Treliving has made as a GM in the last 3 calendar years. Signing some players in UFA to at or above market rate contracts(Coleman, Markstrom, Tanev) doesn't count.

Ya you don’t get to say what does or doesn’t count to fit your narrative. Markstrom and Tanev were good moves.

End of the day though he has only been able to alter the team through free agency for 3 years and this is a guy (Treliving) who says you can’t rely on free agency to improve your team every year.

He has overvalued his players and now Monahan is a potential buyout next year if he can’t get it together and Johnny can walk, and Tkachuk has little reason to do anything other than taking his QO and walk to free agency.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ya you don’t get to say what does or doesn’t count to fit your narrative. Markstrom and Tanev were good moves.

End of the day though he has only been able to alter the team through free agency for 3 years and this is a guy (Treliving) who says you can’t rely on free agency to improve your team every year.

He has overvalued his players and now Monahan is a potential buyout next year if he can’t get it together and Johnny can walk, and Tkachuk has little reason to do anything other than taking his QO and walk to free agency.

Sean Monahan isn't getting bought out. He has one more year left on his deal after this season and is basically on a 40 point pace despite playing five on five in the bottom half of the roster.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd have to know a heck of a lot more than I currently do in order to decide if a mistake was made.

I'll wait!

When will you ever know?

If in fact Tkachuk, Valimaki and next years top 10 protected 1st was offered then you have to wonder what Tkachuk's trade value is.

Tuch at 5 yrs x 4.75 is better asset than the mess that Tkachuk's contract has become? It would seem that Tkachuk is a better more talented hockey player except for the playoffs.

To me this trade shows the value of a value contract.

What would have the Sabres wanted from the Flames?

Lindholm ( the Flames best value contract) and Coronato or Zary instead of Krebs and the draft picks?


What other value contract compares to Tuch?


Not trading Tkachuk for Eichel really leaves the Flames in a bad spot going forward.

[Flamesfan05]

Another Treliving failure

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Sean Monahan isn't getting bought out. He has one more year left on his deal after this season and is basically on a 40 point pace despite playing five on five in the bottom half of the roster.

If the Flames want to keep Tkachuk, Mangiapane, and Gaudreau they need to create cap space. If Monahan can’t get off the 4th line is that the best use of cap space? This team will be hard pressed to keep this group together.

[Toonage]

The team won't be hard pressed to keep this group together but will need to do something it hasn't done a lot of necessarily and that's insert multiple ELC players into the lineup next season. Zary, Pelletier, etc.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames want to keep Tkachuk, Mangiapane, and Gaudreau they need to create cap space. If Monahan can’t get off the 4th line is that the best use of cap space? This team will be hard pressed to keep this group together.

He isn't playing 4th line minutes. He has the 5th most ice team amongst forwards.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

When will you ever know?

If in fact Tkachuk, Valimaki and next years top 10 protected 1st was offered then you have to wonder what Tkachuk's trade value is.

Tuch at 5 yrs x 4.75 is better asset than the mess that Tkachuk's contract has become? It would seem that Tkachuk is a better more talented hockey player except for the playoffs.

To me this trade shows the value of a value contract.

What would have the Sabres wanted from the Flames?

Lindholm ( the Flames best value contract) and Coronato or Zary instead of Krebs and the draft picks?


What other value contract compares to Tuch?


Not trading Tkachuk for Eichel really leaves the Flames in a bad spot going forward.

So 4.75M for a guy who has averaged 45pts per 82 games over his career is a value contract?

I do not think Tkachuk was offered recently if he was it was back in the summer

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

When will you ever know?

If in fact Tkachuk, Valimaki and next years top 10 protected 1st was offered then you have to wonder what Tkachuk's trade value is.

Tuch at 5 yrs x 4.75 is better asset than the mess that Tkachuk's contract has become? It would seem that Tkachuk is a better more talented hockey player except for the playoffs.

To me this trade shows the value of a value contract.

What would have the Sabres wanted from the Flames?

Lindholm ( the Flames best value contract) and Coronato or Zary instead of Krebs and the draft picks?


What other value contract compares to Tuch?


Not trading Tkachuk for Eichel really leaves the Flames in a bad spot going forward.

You may want to look into the Tkachuk rumour being debunked before using this to dump on the player.