[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[N-E-B]

Given the next two drafts and the fact that we now have McDavid and Eichel in our division for the next decade I think the Flames should blow it up.

It’s been a nice 9 games but I’m not convinced we have the talent to compete any time soon. What’s the point? This team is destined for 3rd-5th place in the division every year.

I said before the season that it’s Eichel or bust for me and I’m sticking to that.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

This is the 5th time I pose this question yet nobody has answered it yet.

Why didn't 30 other teams beat this Vegas offer if it was easily beatable like you are all saying.

Because not every team has the same needs? Is this a serious question?

The Flames are the mediocre franchise who hasn't had a legitimate #1 centre in decades. Believe it or not, other teams have that or it isn't a need for them

[nixon45]

Sorry to anyone who actually got their hopes up over this.

He was never coming here. Bitter disappointment is the only thing this Franchise has to offer it's fans.

[I_H8_Crawford]

I will feel a little better if the team comes out and plays as well as they have been.

I wonder if part of this start was because they felt they were going to get some major help airlifted in. Now that it's not happening, hopefully they keep pressing and don't pull the chute.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

This is the 5th time I pose this question yet nobody has answered it yet.

Why didn't 30 other teams beat this Vegas offer if it was easily beatable like you are all saying.

There’s only a handful of teams that are in the win now bracket, willing to give up futures. Next, there’s only a handful of teams that could make it work within their cap structure. Still baffles me that Vegas was able to pull it off. However, I imagine they’re gonna have to sell off some contracts at a huge discount.

[Monahammer]

Why are y'all responding to the oilers troll who thinks that draisaitl is a top defensive centre in the league?

Treliving's head should be on the platter now.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

You just made all that up. You have no idea what was offered. You’re inventing facts to fit a narrative.

What?

That’s what I’m saying he should have offered. He just needed to beat what we saw this morning.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by loob job

https://twitter.com/TheInstigator76/...48400467345410
Andrew Peters saying there was never a deal with Calgary (the guy who broke the trade)

If this is true, watch posters come in and applaud Treliving for driving up the price. Instead of recognizing that sometimes your team needs to get something done yourself.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Given the next two drafts and the fact that we now have McDavid and Eichel in our division for the next decade I think the Flames should blow it up.

It’s been a nice 9 games but I’m not convinced we have the talent to compete any time soon. What’s the point? This team is destined for 3rd-5th place in the division every year.

I said before the season that it’s Eichel or bust for me and I’m sticking to that.

Lol blow it up?? It’s not just the fact that we’ve had a grand 9 games, it’s the fact that we have absolutely DOMINATED that stretch of games. I think we should be looking at augmenting the lineup for a push of our own if November trends like October for the flames. If we have a polar-opposite month and regress back to .500 then I could see considering blowing up but this roster and how they are playing deserves a longer sample size IMO.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He's a bottom tier GM who gets bottom tier results. At this stage I legitimately don't think he has the ability to make in-season changes to a roster. It's not in his wheel house, he is incompetent. This guy spent his off-season trading an asset away for Zadarov.

He sucks, and it's why the team has sucked under his lead.

When we really peel it back if it wasn’t for Dougie Hamilton what type of resume would he have? I think he made 2 really strong moves in trading for and trading away that one player.

Hamonic trade was crippling as it has in my opinion taken him out of a lot of these deals he couldn’t close (Stone, Dubois, Eichel). We lost out on 3 assets for a garbage player.

For the last 3 years he makes all his moves via free agency. Luckily the last 2 years it looks like he did alright with Markstrom, Tanev and Coleman.

But after 3 straight disappointing finishes to the season he hasn’t been able to make the sizable shift of the core.

We are now dealing with Johnny in a walk year, Chucky able to get there in a year. Just a really bad job over the past few years

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Because not every team has the same needs? Is this a serious question?

The Flames are the mediocre franchise who hasn't had a legitimate #1 centre in decades. Believe it or not, other teams have that or it isn't a need for them

Every team in the NHL could use a Jack Eichel. The question is at what cost? 30 other GMs didn't think the cost was worth offering more than Vegas did.

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by bax

The Flames finished ahead of the Golden Knights that season. By 14 points. They took Krebs at 17 we took Pelletier at 26.

They aren’t that different of prospects tbh. Sometimes GM’s and scouts can get enamored with one guy

Krebs is a much better prospect than Pelletier. Krebs was a surefire top 10 pick but cut his Achilles right before the draft. Hurt his position big time. Before that he was considered along the same tier as Cozens,Byram and Dach and only a couple years earlier was picked above all those in the Whl draft 1st overall. Going back to the last World jr tournament Krebs was used in every situation and played a ton compared to the role that Pettetier or Zary had there.

[GreenLantern2814]

Pathetic.

I said it months ago, when we see what the cost was we are going to go “####, WE could’ve beaten that.”

And we could’ve.

Thornton all over again.

Time is a flat circle.

Have fun back east, Johnny, thanks for carrying us these last eight years.

#### you Brad, you time wasting coward.

[Jbo]

Wakes up and checks standings.

Reads last two pages about blowing up franchise…��

[The Yen Man]

Man, so many bitter armchair gms in this thread.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Given the next two drafts and the fact that we now have McDavid and Eichel in our division for the next decade I think the Flames should blow it up.

It’s been a nice 9 games but I’m not convinced we have the talent to compete any time soon. What’s the point? This team is destined for 3rd-5th place in the division every year.

I said before the season that it’s Eichel or bust for me and I’m sticking to that.

Eichel was unable to make the sabres anything but a bottom feeder. To conclude he alone will make the knights unbearable in the standings for the next decade is a bit much.

I'm pretty disappointed in this. My guess is that Tuch growing up as a Sabres fan was a huge asset. From Buffalo's perspective, a major issue that have is getting players to stay long term. Zero chance that Tkachuk would have stayed in buffalo.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

When we really peel it back if it wasn’t for Dougie Hamilton what type of resume would he have? I think he made 2 really strong moves in trading for and trading away that one player.

Hamonic trade was crippling as it has in my opinion taken him out of a lot of these deals he couldn’t close (Stone, Dubois, Eichel). We lost out on 3 assets for a garbage player.

For the last 3 years he makes all his moves via free agency. Luckily the last 2 years it looks like he did alright with Markstrom, Tanev and Coleman.

But after 3 straight disappointing finishes to the season he hasn’t been able to make the sizable shift of the core.

We are now dealing with Johnny in a walk year, Chucky able to get there in a year. Just a really bad job over the past few years

Mangiapane, gaudreau, and Tkachuk all needing contracts in the same off season is another galaxy brain move by Bradley.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by keenan87

If this is true, watch posters come in and applaud Treliving for driving up the price. Instead of recognizing that sometimes your team needs to get something done yourself.

Trolliving trolling vegas lol

[Toonage]

A few thoughts

The Knights aren't going to win a Stanley Cup. Championship teams aren't won through a collection of All Star free agents. They are entirely the NYR of the late 90s -00s now. I'm sure they will be competitive. But they aren't going to win it all.

I saw a few posts last night from people calling Elliotte Friedman a bad insider and comments of that nature. All because he had news you didn't want to hear. Some posts came off as childish and a bit pathetic, really. He's only been doing this for 20+ years and by the way he got the entirety of the trade accurate this morning when other insiders were trying to figure out what picks and parts were going where.

Tkachuk. I'm sure he wasn't ever going to part of this, but given how his play suffered after the puck flip last year when he thought the team didn't have his back, will his play suffer if he feels the entire franchise doesn't want him around? Might be nothing, might be business as usual for him but I'm curious to see where this goes.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Pathetic.

I said it months ago, when we see what the cost was we are going to go “####, WE could’ve beaten that.”

And we could’ve.

Thornton all over again.

Time is a flat circle.

Have fun back east, Johnny, thanks for carrying us these last eight years.

#### you Brad, you time wasting coward.

Haven’t you heard? That San Jose offer for Thornton couldn’t have been beaten. 🤥