[Rumour] Weekes: Flames offering Tkachuk, 1st, former 1st, 2 prospects for Eichel

[browna]

Certainly sounds like Flames trying to make hockey trade and Vegas, because of a couple injuries (which is why they are interested in the Eichel in the first place) will gamble and kick the can of the LTIR issue down the road.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

By 99 you mean 109?

99 for VGK, 109 for CGY

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Buff

99 for VGK, 109 for CGY

Sounds about right.

[Racki]

That franchise is so lucky. They have a bunch of highly paid guys go down with long term injuries at the exact time that they need the cap relief to add another highly paid guy. I’m pretty certain now. We’re out of it.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Sounds about right.

All we need is a rouge though to pull ahead, a luxury Vegas doesn’t have.

[djsFlames]

At least we can focus on the group that's here now and what Darryl can continue to do with this bunch and help them progress individually. And over time slowly fool ourselves into believing it will somehow be different this time.

[BlindMilwaukee]

Originally Posted by browna

All we need is a rouge though to pull ahead, a luxury Vegas doesn’t have.

Unfortunately they have an extra down.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Is there any chance at all that this isn't hinting at Vegas pulling a Tampa Bay? Because honestly it doesn't seem like there's any other way to read this.

I guess it was my fault for allowing myself to be excited about the possibility. We are, after all, still fans of the Calgary Flames, who shall not have nice things.

Maybe he was told to stay up late and wait for a call because he'll have some work to do, announcing a deal, but because of LTIR issues the trade is delayed... He's upset that he didn't get to go to bed early. Right? Please? It's happening, just in the middle of the night... Please?

Actually, my hope is lost on this one now.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

By 99 you mean 109?

Username checks out.

[Gaskal]

Link to this was posted previously but may as well reiterate that Vegas would have to do some crazy juggling.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454236294079410177

Eichel's contract is $10 million. Thus, if he is going to play for the Golden Knights at any point in the regular season, they must find $10 million to subtract from the roster. I know people have suggested he stays on LTIR all season, but that's crazy to me as he will have been out for 15 months, have never played on this team or in this system, and will be playing his 1st playoff game of his career. Expecting him to be peak Jack Eichel is unrealistic.

So, they'll need to be cap compliant with his salary on the books. A roster of 20 players eats up $95 million of the cap. Meaning, if VGK is ever fully healthy, they must remove $13.5 million from the following group.

Pacioretty (6.25), Karlsson (5.15), Dadonov (4.25), Smith (4.25), Marchessault (4.25), Tuch (4), Stephenson (2), Janmark (1.25), Carrier (.65), Patrick (.45) Martinez (4.5), Theodore (4.45), McNabb (1.75) Hague (.05) Lehner (4.25), Brossoit (1.25)
(Salary - replacement player)

Go ahead, do the math. Try to find a way to use that list and come up with $13.5 million. However you slice it, that means at least 3 prominent players will have to be moved.

Then, you must consider what is going to BUF, as they want prospects, not players. Thus, at least one of Hague, Krebs, or Brisson, and probably a bevy of picks. In turn, it will mean getting rid of players with money means more trades where VGK gets little to nothing in return.

In all, we're talking about moving 3 players out of the starting lineup. Probably one more in Krebs or Hague, and maybe upwards of 5 total. Decimating the farm system even further than it is, and getting one player in return. One damn good player, but one player.

Even if you compile a perfect $12.75 million, it hurts... alot. And the replacements are all AHL quality players (at best).

But when you work in the reality of which players actually could go because other teams want them, we're looking at 3 or 4 players in the top-six/top-four. The Golden Knights would instantly become one of the most top-heavy teams in the NHL as they would have 4 players and their goalie making 49.4% of their salary cap.

That means we're looking at half of the cap to fill 16 other starter spots.

In conclusion. Jack Eichel is awesome. A true superstar in this league in every sense of the word. But in the current cap world with the Golden Knights roster as it stands, it would be so crippling to add him that not even the great Jack Eichel will be able to make up for it.

And that's if he's ever truly healthy again.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Not as embarrassing as it will be for Vegas to try to get back under the cap when all those players come off LTIR.

They could probably manage it the way Tampa did. I don't think the NHL really audits the system when it comes to holding players out and keeping player on LTIR longer than they need to be. Kucherov was in full contact practices and scrimmages and after it was reported and footage was released questioning why he was still on LTIR, Tampa took him out of practices to hide it.

Of course, the players would have to agree to it and I don't think it is a given that they would. Most would not agree to sit out past the trade deadline if they didn't have to. Unless it was a situation, like with Kucherov, where surgery is elected that most teams trying to make the playoffs would put off until after the season. Plus, I think some Karlsson and Stone likely want to play in the Olympics and wouldn't sit out past the trade deadline for that reason, so yeah, Vegas will likely have trouble pulling off a Tampa.

[ForeverFlameFan]

@Gaskal, the silver lining if Vegas does acquire him.

[browna]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

Unfortunately they have an extra down.

[djsFlames]

Maybe this is actually a three way deal which is why Calgary continues to be stapled to this, and the Flames are picking off a couple Vegas players, with Buffalo eating one of our contracts to help facilitate their Eichel swap and get their coveted Knights assets that they want.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Racki

That franchise is so lucky. They have a bunch of highly paid guys go down with long term injuries at the exact time that they need the cap relief to add another highly paid guy. I’m pretty certain now. We’re out of it.

No, having injured players doesn't help you add another injured player when you're already at the cap, because cap space doesn't accrue from LTIR. As soon as those players return, there's no cap space, it's only there if needed to replace them while they're out. If Eichel goes to Vegas, until they can dump his full $10M non-prorated cap hit by trading away cap dumps from their roster, he can't play. At least not until the playoffs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

No, having injured players doesn't help you add another injured player when you're already at the cap, because cap space doesn't accrue from LTIR. As soon as those players return, there's no cap space, it's only there if needed to replace them while they're out. If Eichel goes to Vegas, until they can dump his full $10M non-prorated cap hit by trading away cap dumps from their roster, he can't play. At least not until the playoffs.

I think they can play after the trade deadline (March 21st this year due to the Olympic break). Playoffs start on May 2nd.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Maybe this is actually a three way deal which is why Calgary continues to be stapled to this, and the Flames are picking off a couple Vegas players, with Buffalo eating one of our contracts to help facilitate their Eichel swap and get their coveted Knights assets that they want.

My opinion on the team as a whole remains that they don’t have the centres to win a championship and if they aren’t moving towards fixing that then they’re wasting their time.

Eichel or bust remains my opinion.

[Torture]

Idk, Director of Marketing doesn't seem like a role that would be first to know on hockey ops decisions to me.

[Racki]

So could they not go full Tampa and keep him out until the playoffs?

[saillias]

Ryan Popowich is a regular guy who has a job on the business side of the Flames. yeah he has insider info - about jerseys, helmet designs and ticket sales for the Roughnecks. I assure you the man does not get involved in trade discussions. If you follow him you'll see how it's literally just tweeting ticket and merch stuff for CSEC. he just chose the wrong time to tweet a random thought about an odd NHL feature.