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[saillias]

Yeah I don't care about the situation in Buffalo. Awful teams, no leadership group, bad coaches. Also can't discount the awful defenses Eichel played with.

I prefer to think about who he'd play WITH. You gotta do the obvious and imagine Gaudreau and Tkachuk, or Gaudreau and Coleman, or Mangiapane and Coleman, or Mangiapane and Tkachuk, or maybe move Lindholm back to the right side. The Flames are deep on the wing and play in a way that dominates shot and scoring chances. Eichel has never been part of a team like that in the NHL.

Something that Tre says often when he signs or trades for a guy is "we don't expect you to save the Calgary Flames" and that would definitely be the case here.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah as it relates to the surgery risk, going to have to appeal to authority on that one. We're all hockey experts here but we're not all Mike Tyson when it comes to neck and back surgery. It's "spinal".

I question those that claim to have insights into his mindset. I do think it's a fair question to ask but I am not seeing any evidence that it's a cause for concern.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

and on this front both Calgary and Vegas doctors seem more than comfortable with the ADR procedure. Medical experts have reviewed Jack Eichel's injury situation and if they're comfortable with it I'm comfortable with it. People looking at that as a reason why we shouldn't acquire him, do you actually think you're in a better position than the professionals who have reviewed the situation?

Oh come on. Being concerned about the risk is not the same as pretending to know more than a doctor.

There’s also no shortage of articles and opinions from medical experts who do confirm there is some risk. I don’t know why you would pretend otherwise.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Oh come on. Being concerned about the risk is not the same as pretending to know more than a doctor.

There’s also no shortage of articles and opinions from medical experts who do confirm there is some risk. I don’t know why you would pretend otherwise.

Being concerned about the risk to the degree of not wanting to acquire the player? The Flames doctors have given Tree the green light, so to me it just seems odd that people without actual knowledge of the situation believe it's reason to not acquire a player of this quality.

[GioforPM]

“Concerned about the risk” understates a lot of the rhetoric around here.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by saillias

Lindholm back to the right side.

Oh man, if we can hang onto Dube

Gaudreau - Eichel - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Dube - Mangiapane
Coleman - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - 4C - 4RW


That would be one Scary fast top 9.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Oh man, if we can hang onto Dube

Gaudreau - Eichel - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Dube - Mangiapane
Coleman - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - 4C - 4RW


That would be one Scary fast top 9.

I can't see Dube not being part of the deal, that being said I still like the idea of an Eichel, Lindholm 1-2 punch down the middle.

[Hoop27]

I have a tad of a conspiratorial thought that I can't shake.. The league is encouraging the Sabres to get Eichel done to put that story on the front page and bump the other stories down a peg or two.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah as it relates to the surgery risk, going to have to appeal to authority on that one. We're all hockey experts here but we're not all Mike Tyson when it comes to neck and back surgery. It's "spinal".

I question those that claim to have insights into his mindset. I do think it's a fair question to ask but I am not seeing any evidence that it's a cause for concern.

It’s all about insurance. If this ADR goes sideways, Pegula doesn’t want to be on the hook for the rest of Eichel’s deal.

He’s worth $5.7B according to Google, and he won’t give a franchise player the autonomy to have a surgery that lets him keep the feeling in his fingertips.

I get that it’s easy to spend other peoples money, but consider this.

Imagine time is money, where $1 = 1 second.

The $50M owed to Eichel as of the start of the season = 578.7 days

Terry Pegula’s $5.7B = 180.75 years

It’s going to go down as a Hall of Fame self-own.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't see Dube not being part of the deal, that being said I still like the idea of an Eichel, Lindholm 1-2 punch down the middle.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - ??
Tkachuk - Eichel - ??

Sutter likes "pairs" in the lines, so I would see it like this.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

“Concerned about the risk” understates a lot of the rhetoric around here.

It’s you he claims doesn’t want to acquire him due to the risk.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by joejoe3

Gaudreau - Lindholm - ??
Tkachuk - Eichel - ??

Sutter likes "pairs" in the lines, so I would see it like this.

...and then load up the top PP unit with those 4 and an offensive defenseman...

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A. Half of those guys spent little to no time with Eichel - I mean when were ROR and Eichel on a line together?

No more than Matthews and Tavares have been on a line together.

B. No one on that list is complementary like Matthews/Marner; Mackinnon/Rantanen; McDavid/Draisaitl; Bergeron/Marchand/Pasternk, etc. Now put Gaudreau with Eichel and compare.

Sure, but does the complimentary player make the superstar, or the superstar make the complimentary player look better? You could remove the second player from each of those combinations and the superstar is still a dominant player. I would like to see what Eichel could do with Gaudreau, but I am not expecting any major turn around or astronomical increase in production. If anything, playing in a structured game may hurt Eichel's numbers.

C. I don’t see McDavid, Matthews etc as having some special mentality. Maybe Mackinnon.

Yeah, they do. They want to be the center of attention. They want to be the guy driving the bus. They want to be "the man." Eichel supposedly ain't that guy, which could be why the Sabres struggled as a team. Eichel isn't a leader, which makes both Vegas and Calgary good situations for him, as there are leaders in the room that the team can follow. Some guys just want to play hockey and not have to deal with the pressure of the team on their shoulders. Eichel appears to be one of those guys, and that is fine. You just have to surround him with the right talent.

D. Eichel’s coaches have been Bylsma, Housely, Krueger. I’d like to see him under Sutter.

So would I. I'm not sure how it would go, but I think it would be interesting to watch. Eichel has been given free reign throughout his career, so it would be interesting to see him play in a structured system where accountability is enforced. I think he would follow the flow and adapt to it, but there would be some rough spots along the way as he learns the team game.

I have zero concerns about Eichel’s talent, mindset, defence, or overall game. My only concern is health and that’s just a risk to consider and factor in.

Good, that's you, and I respect that. I do have concerns about his ability to play defense and his GAF meter. Sutter can address the first, but that second one is still worrisome. I'm also majorly concerned about acquisition cost and the long term impact to the organization. Hopefully we get to find out what Eichel would be like under Sutter and in a Flames jersey. I just hope that the cost isn't so much, and the return so low, that we regret the move in the future.

[Vinny01]

Friedman:

On Friday people thought it was going to get done with Vegas. Emily reported last night they were on the 1 yard line but people have thought it was close in the past and it didn’t happen. Thinks there has been legitimate chances to get a deal done. Buffalo maybe not as interested in futures due to their start. Really wanting to get a deal done. Salary retention adds to the complicated nature of the deal.

No mention of the Flames really other than what we have heard

[Locke]

But it has to happen now to make sense.

Or now....

What about now....?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Oh come on. Being concerned about the risk is not the same as pretending to know more than a doctor.

There’s also no shortage of articles and opinions from medical experts who do confirm there is some risk. I don’t know why you would pretend otherwise.

Are we at "some" risk or "massive" risk?

[gvitaly]

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Racki

...and then load up the top PP unit with those 4 and an offensive defenseman...

That would be incredible and if you compare it to the Capitals:

.........Tkachuk
Eichel Lindholm Gaudreau
.........Andersson

They'd have Eichel in the Ovechkin one timer spot, Johnny running things from the wall like Backstrom, Tkachuk down low with the option for a quick one-timer feed to a right-handed Lindholm (like Oshie) in the middle. Andersson is no John Carlson but he has a canon too. That would be a very, very good powerplay.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Hoop27

I have a tad of a conspiratorial thought that I can't shake.. The league is encouraging the Sabres to get Eichel done to put that story on the front page and bump the other stories down a peg or two.

I thought the same thing, but if that were true, then he wont be coming to Calgary. Biggest splash would be him landing in Vegas.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Friedman:

On Friday people thought it was going to get done with Vegas. Emily reported last night they were on the 1 yard line but people have thought it was close in the past and it didn’t happen. Thinks there has been legitimate chances to get a deal done. Buffalo maybe not as interested in futures due to their start. Really wanting to get a deal done. Salary retention adds to the complicated nature of the deal.

No mention of the Flames really other than what we have heard

Was this on Vegas radio or something? If not, pretty concerning that the Flames aren't mentioned at all.