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[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Really?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1406046798704152580

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[bax]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Eichel is technically a center but he is average to bad defensively so not sure how that makes a big difference when comparing him to Drasaitl. Draisatl is the better player in all 3 zones.

Are you implying Draisaitl is good defensively? He had some of the very worst metrics in the league last season if I’m remembering correctly.

Edit: Looks like I was beaten to it. Thanks!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Eichel is technically a center but he is average to bad defensively so not sure how that makes a big difference when comparing him to Drasaitl. Draisatl is the better player in all 3 zones.

McDavid is average to bad defensively as well, who are you taking over him? Would you take Mark Stone, also a winger who is good in all 3 zones?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Eichel is technically a center but he is average to bad defensively so not sure how that makes a big difference when comparing him to Drasaitl. Draisatl is the better player in all 3 zones.

Oiler fan here, and coming into this season, I would also call Draisaitl average (on a good day) to bad defensively.

It's almost impossible for Draisaitl to be better in all 3 zones.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

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i think you’re just looking at the ev def

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by bax

Are you implying Draisaitl is good defensively? He had some of the very worst metrics in the league last season if I’m remembering correctly.

Edit: Looks like I was beaten to it. Thanks!

Nope he isn't good defensively but he is better than Eichel and that's saying something.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Eichel is technically a center but he is average to bad defensively so not sure how that makes a big difference when comparing him to Drasaitl. Draisatl is the better player in all 3 zones.

Eichel is not average to bad defensively, far from it. He is capable of being an elite two-way center

https://twitter.com/user/status/1391790145356144645

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Sigh. I really get tired of this narrative that Eichel had no one to play with. Eichel got to play with Ryan O'Reilly, Evander Kane, Sam Reinhart, Kyle Okposo, Matt Moulson, Jeff Skinner, Connor Sheary, Victor Olofsson, and Taylor Hall to name a few. Not a murder's row of talent, but a number of high end talents there. If Eichel is the world beater and elite talent, then he should be elevating the talent around him, not reliant on other players to make him better. Eichel has never been able to do that, not even with Jeff Skinner who had similar numbers while playing for Carolina. The best comment I've seen in the Eichel discussion of late was from a journalist who stated Eichel is not the guy you build around because he doesn't have the mentality to carry the load. Eichel is best served being a guy on a team who just goes out and plays. As long as we recognize what we are getting and not having unreasonable expectations (too late for that IMO) we could make this work.

He got to play with O'Reilly and Kane in his first 3 ELC years. Not exactly years where hes fully developed and ready to be "the guy", nevermind expected to make everyone else better.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Sigh. I really get tired of this narrative that Eichel had no one to play with. Eichel got to play with Ryan O'Reilly, Evander Kane, Sam Reinhart, Kyle Okposo, Matt Moulson, Jeff Skinner, Connor Sheary, Victor Olofsson, and Taylor Hall to name a few. Not a murder's row of talent, but a number of high end talents there. If Eichel is the world beater and elite talent, then he should be elevating the talent around him, not reliant on other players to make him better. Eichel has never been able to do that, not even with Jeff Skinner who had similar numbers while playing for Carolina. The best comment I've seen in the Eichel discussion of late was from a journalist who stated Eichel is not the guy you build around because he doesn't have the mentality to carry the load. Eichel is best served being a guy on a team who just goes out and plays. As long as we recognize what we are getting and not having unreasonable expectations (too late for that IMO) we could make this work.

Eichel's most common linemates per Moneypuck

16-17 - Matt Mouslon/Sam Reinhart
17-18 - Evander Kane/Jason Pominville
18-19 - Jeff Skinner/Sam Reinhart
19-20 - Victor Oloffson/Sam Reinhart
20-21 - Taylor Hall/Sam Reinhart

The Hall/Reinhart/Eichel line was ultra dominate per Moneypuck - 69% xgoals (to compare - Flames top line this year is at 62%)

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Eichel is technically a center but he is average to bad defensively so not sure how that makes a big difference when comparing him to Drasaitl. Draisatl is the better player in all 3 zones.

This just isn't true. Offensively Draisatl is better (could also be a function of who he plays with), but he is below average in the neutral zone and absolutely horrendous below his own blue line. Pretty much the same narrative for McDingus.

[Torture]

The fact Oilers fans are arguing about Eichel vs Draissaitl means it's a done deal and Eichel is a Flame, right?

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Eichel is not average to bad defensively, far from it. He is capable of being an elite two-way center

https://twitter.com/user/status/1391790145356144645

This makes me think that Eichel would be particularly effective under Sutter. As long as he remains healthy.

[klikitiklik]

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

That was just mean.

I had Hawks $300 at 12-1, AND $100 on Lynch for MVP at 10-1.
Not running the ball cost me $4,600.
I'm still bitter.

12 to 1? Please send me the info for that sports book, I look forward to working with them.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Okposo….Moulson…Sheary… Olofsson… Reinhart (at the time). Come on man.

Your other names presented are a good point though.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

…you just listed Matt Moulson, Connor Sheary, Kyle Okposo, Jeff Skinner while arguing against the narrative that Eichel has gotten to play with nothing but garbage?

Oh and Ryan O’Reilly? The guy who was so down in the dumps in Buffalo that it made him hate the sport? Also, he’s a centre.

Taylor Hall? Sure…except Eichel got hurt, and that entire team was a tire fire and coached by a horrid hire.

Sam Reinhart? Yep, Eichel definitely did wonders for his career. Most of Reinhart’s success (especially early in his career) was because they moved him from centre to Eichel’s RW.

Evander Kane? Yeah, okay. Real prize there.

Always an excuse. You could play these games with almost any player and find some reason that the players they got saddled with were crap. These were all good players before going to Buffalo and many of them remained good players with Buffalo. The whole team sucked as a unit and couldn't find success, even with this supposed "generational" talent on the roster. Look deeper into each player and you can see they were good talents prior to going to Buffalo. Things were not sunshine and rainbows in Buffalo for some reason, but every player deserves the same level of scrutiny, including Jack Eichel.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I agree. Some are pretending he's an elite Center. He isn't. Like I've said before, he is an elite player.

That is different than being an elite center. He has the possibility of being one forsure but a lot of people are going to be disappointed if they think they're getting some great 2 way center.

I don’t know, man….

It was only 2-3 weeks ago that you were stating Charlie McAvoy isn’t a top 15 D-man in the league with some pretty questionable guys ahead of him. I’m not going to pretend to have watched enough of Bruins hockey on a regular basis to make a claim as bold as that, but it is noteworthy that many people around/close to the league have him as one of, if not the, best 2-way defence men in the league. I think you doubled down on your take after there was a pretty significant amount of rebuttals that painted a pretty convincing picture that McAvoy is probably a top 5-ish D man.

But, you could be right this time.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I agree. Some are pretending he's an elite Center. He isn't. Like I've said before, he is an elite player.

That is different than being an elite center. He has the possibility of being one forsure but a lot of people are going to be disappointed if they think they're getting some great 2 way center.

Ever since you've joined you've been mostly posting absolute drivel, but this takes the cake. How ignorant or uninformed can you be? Are you just an bored oilers fan looking for a better community? Jeeeeeeze

[Winsor_Pilates]

You would also be getting Eichel playing for Sutter.
He would learn to excel as a 2 way player; Sutter doesn't let anyone pull a Draisaitle.

[klikitiklik]

https://twitter.com/SNRyanPinder/sta...762841091?s=20

[Monahammer]

Please be real...

Edit: Not sure why Pinder is doing this to us. It was just JFresh on the fan.