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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I did not hear this myself, but apparently Pagnotta said on a podcast today that he has heard that Buffalo still wants 4 firsts or equivalent but now is willing to retain some amount on the contract.

Might explain why there is no deal in place. No one is giving that up for Eichel. They have been consistent in this supposed ask, and no one has bellied up to the bar. They can ask all they want, but nothing is happening to meet that ask. Time for Buffalo to get real in their expectations.

[sa226]

It's a broken record at this point, but if Eichel was playing every night and Kevyn Adams was just patiently waiting for the right offer to come across his desk, I'd be impressed.

But with a guy who needs neck surgery and a subsequent 3 month rehab, it seems criminal for it to be taking this long.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think Tkachuk means a lot for the short term success of this team. I am not optimistic about him staying with the club long term, so I could see him being dangled as trade bait. Out of all the roster players being mentioned for a an Eichel piece, he is probably the most valuable.

There is some risk for Buffalo obviously given his contract, but it's not like Eichel doesn't come with risks. The Sabres would have some time to work things out long term with Tkachuk and don't have a lot of long term salary tied up, so I could see them offering a big long term deal that would be difficult for Tkachuk to turn down.

I rarely do proposals, but what the heck:

To Sabres:

Tkachuk, Zary, 1st rounder, plus a possible throw in if need to make the salaries work

To Flames:

Eichel

The Flames could then sign a low-risk, potential high reward stop gap player like Bobby Ryan on a one-year deal to play on the RW for now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I don't think Valimaki and Zadorov are worth 1sts. Zadorov likely has a small amount of negative value. Valimaki is probably worth a high 2nd (similar to what Bean got).

Monahan might not be either at this point because he has only been about a 50 point player since 2019 and he gets paid more than most 50 point players.

Zary is also debatable. He's probably worth a late 1st, around where he was drafted.

You have to be quite generous with the value of Valimaki, Zary and Monahan to argue that they are collectively worth three 1sts. It's possible, but I think it's a stretch.

But I'll go out on a limb and say the 1st itself is probably worth a 1st.

Zadarov was included as part of the "cap retention" angle. He likely has negative value, unless someone needs a warm body on an expiring contract, then it's neutral to low value.

I think Monahan could still reel in a first. Valimaki was worth a first this summer. It's possible he's regressed.

Zary is definitely worth a first IMO. He was a first in 2020 and his progression thus far seems positive. Positive development typically adds value.

[Jake]

All of these offers adding to Tkachuk don’t look good to me. I just don’t see Tkachuk as being worth less than Eichel at this point…

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

And the reason they couldn’t have told everyone this in August, or September or October is…

Because they weren’t sure they had to….


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[Harry Lime]

The only drafted prospects (in their draft year or just out of it) that have real sustained value are basically the top 10. If a player in their D+1 or D+2 years have positive development, they will have more value than where they were drafted. The majority of draft picks see stagnation or regression.

I say stagnation or regression, because there is an expectation for a player to get better on both the offensive and defensive side of the game, and this is the most difficult thing to accomplish for most players. You have to be exceptional to survive as a one-facet player.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Would love to know Sutter's thoughts on a trade and the pieces that should be moved.

Kings traded for a pouting Carter in 2012.
They also traded for Gaborik in 2014 who had missed 40 games before the trade deadline.

Sutter loves talent and Eichel would be a big talent upgrade, I think he'd find a way to make it work until Eichel returns. He's also talked about wanting to fulfilling his debt to ownership with a cup, I think this would give him the best chance to do that.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Because they weren’t sure they had to….


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The absence of a deal a month into the season is evidence in and of itself they had to.

They just didn’t have the wit to see it.

[dammage79]

I like the idea of Girgensons coming over in the trade too. He'd be a great fit in a Sutter system. Just beast moding around with Looch and Lewis.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The absence of a deal a month into the season is evidence in and of itself they had to.

They just didn’t have the wit to see it.

Salic waited how long to trade Duchene and then got a spectacular return?

At the end of the day, Eichel is an asset many teams want.


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[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I like the idea of Girgensons coming over in the trade too. He'd be a great fit in a Sutter system. Just beast moding around with Looch and Lewis.

I could see him being that sort of Marcus Kruger type 4C for us, though I'm not crazy about him.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I could see him being that sort of Marcus Kruger type 4C for us, though I'm not crazy about him.

He's nothing more than a big 4th line beast. He plays hard and has a stone hands issue. They might be able to bounce some pucks in off him at some point.

Would also be funny to end up with a guy we could have had instead of Janko back in the day.

[activeStick]

Tkachuk is having a really good game here

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

He's nothing more than a big 4th line beast. He plays hard and has a stone hands issue. They might be able to bounce some pucks in off him at some point.

Would also be funny to end up with a guy we could have had instead of Janko back in the day.

I've always liked Girgensons, and I still think he would be a much better player on a different team-he was kinda miscast as just a checker earlier in his career, but he's shown some offense when given ice time with better players.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Salic waited how long to trade Duchene and then got a spectacular return?

At the end of the day, Eichel is an asset many teams want.


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If so many teams want him then why are only two teams in on him?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

If so many teams want him then why are only two teams in on him?

There will be more next off-season.

Are there really only two teams interested?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You're missing the point. TOfan tried to make these Eichel rumors seem righteous and discount the Tkachuk rumors in the offseason, based mostly on their personal preference for sources. How is this "rumor" any more substantive than the one that was being bounced around about Tkachuk? They are all just conjecture - and mostly bull#### - until something actually happens. And no, frequency or number of sources brings no substance to them either. Media types will jump on bandwagons just as hard as fans will, and they will get wrapped up in the bull#### just as much as the fans will. They talk to person X, who is repeating what they heard, while not disclosing that what they heard came from the same primary source. Ah, but now you have two sources who heard the same thing, right? More credence to the "rumor" right? No, just the same lame rumor, but with more telephone involved. Repetition of rumor does not give it credence. It just means there are more people out there willing to talk about it.

Do I think something is happening? Yes, I do. Buffalo and the league needs this to come a close. Do I think the Flames are in the middle of it? No more than every other "rumor" that has been around where Treliving was in the mix, but came up empty. I'm sure he's put an offer in. I'm sure he calls Buffalo every now and then to see if there is any change. Do I think it is a leading offer and the Flames are a team likely to make the deal? No. Not with the current makeup of the team, not with the current cap situation, and not with the early success the team has had. Unless they find a way to magically make $10M in cap space appear, the Flames are not in this. But without that big chunk of cap space, or a third party willing to take on some of the Flames cap problems (more assets going out with nothing coming back), making a trade for Eichel is an impossibility.

I didn’t say anything about Eichel rumours. All I wanted to know is where did this supposed rumour of Tkachuk for Tarasenko, Kyrou and Purunovich came from? Maybe I’ve misunderstood your point, but it seems like you’re being critical of the Flames for not making a trade that someone, you?, dreamed up.

[sureLoss]

Espn reporting the trade is a the "1 yard line" and down to Calgary or Vegas

https://twitter.com/user/status/1455737841959399425

Also Emily Kaplan is reporting that both Vegas and the Flames have agreed to allow the ADR surgery.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Or not.