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[mile]

Can’t believe it’s November now and no deal has been made

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Man, did I love picking him in pools. “I choose Satan”.

Plus then he’d always outscore his draft position because he was tremendously underrated.

Always appreciate guys who boom after the Oilers give them away for nothing. After being traded away for Barry Moore and Craig Millar he went onto score 224 goals for Buffalo in the next 7 years and 12 games in the Dead Puck era.

Barry Moore played 4 games for the Oilers scoring 0 goals. Craig Millar score 4 goals in 36 games over parts of 3 seasons. Satan himself scored 8 in 12 games after being traded to Buffalo that season.

For that reason alone Satan has always been a guy I liked. He embodies the Ha ha Stupid Oilers as well as any player ever. It's not like he did nothing as an Oiler having scored 35 goals in his first 124 games that they felt compelled to give him away for nothing.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Trading for Eichel is gambling. Trading for any injured player is, especially an injury like this.

What if it turns out CGY doctors come to the same conclusion as BUF?

What if Eichel’s preferred surgery turns out OK, but not great, and he plays out his career at 75% ability? What if the best case, no matter the surgery, is 85% recovery?

Or, it’s all fine and dandy, he continues to be a top tier centre.

A 100% Eichel is worth a lot, but injured Eichel is a lottery ticket, literally, and BUF will be holding a couple of ours plus a few good players.

Can you re-sign Mangiapane with the new cap structure? Or Tkachuk?

Pure gambling. Say no.

Avatar doesn't check out.

If you're that risk-adverse, this one probably fits you better:



This is a business geared at winning!

I say go get him Tre.

[The Unshuffler]

Yeah I don’t know if I’d risk it for the biscuit on a guy with major neck problems.

Sounds like the surgery he wants can lead to the surrounding discs degenerating from what I’ve read.
Of course if that happens he goes on LTIR but we’d be down a bunch of assets as well as disrupting what is shaping as a very good season this year.

Tough decision but that’s why GMs get the big bucks I guess.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mile

Can’t believe it’s November now and no deal has been made

Once August rolled around, I started to get the feeling that Eichel might not play in 21-22. If he does get traded, it will probably be to a non-playoff team looking towards next season.

Buffalo really missed an opportunity back in June to trade him to a team that expected Eichel to be a contributor this season. At this point, if he got the surgery tomorrow, you might get a dozen regular season games out of him, and it's not like he will be 100% right out of the gates.

The regular season is a grind, and I don't think any team wants to deplete their line-up for the off chance Eichel is a difference maker this season.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Once August rolled around, I started to get the feeling that Eichel might not play in 21-22. If he does get traded, it will probably be to a non-playoff team looking towards next season.

Buffalo really missed an opportunity back in June to trade him to a team that expected Eichel to be a contributor this season. At this point, if he got the surgery tomorrow, you might get a dozen regular season games out of him, and it's not like he will be 100% right out of the gates.

The regular season is a grind, and I don't think any team wants to deplete their line-up for the off chance Eichel is a difference maker this season.

Its about the next 4+ seasons, and its probably more than an "off chance".

Even 12 games is enough runway to get up to game speed for the meaningful games.

If Eichel goes somewhere in the coming weeks and it's a playoff team, i guarantee you he won't be a bumbling passenger when he gets back into it. He carried Buffalo on his back for years, you don't think he'll be raring to go once his body is back to health for the team that pries him out of that mess?

I all but guarantee you he won't be this post-surgery wallflower on his team when he gets back in.

There's a lot of playing down the skill & compete level of jack eichel here. I think not seeing him play in a while has clouded people's memories.

This is a neck issue, not an amputated arm.

The guy was ripping goals in a scrimmage game in August with this lingering injury. Its not like he won't have seen or touched ice for a year.

Last spring Kucherov sat out until the eve of playoffs and he helped his team to a Stanley Cup championship with 32 points in 23 games.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Avatar doesn't check out.

If you're that risk-adverse, this one probably fits you better:



This is a business geared at winning!

I say go get him Tre.

Gambling is chance, not risk, they are different things.

The guy isn’t even playing this season and people want to throw the kitchen sink and then some at him.

I wanted to post a fitting picture for you, but I decided not to and keep a little better tone.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Royle9

In most cases I think it’s almost unanimous that it would include:

Monahan
Picks
Prospects
Wild card - 1 of Valamaki/Dube/Mangi

unanimous on CP? that might not be what Buffalo wants and it is entirely possible they would want our best center for their best center.

this is why the trade for him at any cost doesn't make sense.

[BigRed]

Buffalo is dealing from a position of real weakness at this point. Eichel won't have much impact on any roster he joins this year because of the procedure itself as well as recovery, and then just getting used to game speed again after what will be a year away.

They're foolish for not making a deal in the summer. Their return just keeps going down. I'd move Tkachuk because I think he's going to be a real contract headache in the immediate term, and he clears a good chunk of cap space. Then one of Zary, Pelletier or a first is plenty, as stated above.

[devo22]

yeah I don't think Buffalo could have played this any worse. During the summer, his value was surely higher than it is today, plus a trade would have been easier to pull off in terms of LTIR. His trade value will only decrease the longer he's out. I couldn't believe when August passed and they still hadn't done anything ... now it's November and it's still not resolved. I don't get Buffalo's end game here, at some point you just have to move on.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by mile

Can’t believe it’s November now and no deal has been made

Really? I've been predicting this goes into 2022 for months. There's no rush on the Sabres side to complete this right now. Things won't get urgent for them until after the season. Friedman said weeks ago that the Sabres felt their patience with Ristolainen paid off because they ended getting a much better return than they were getting the years before when teams like the Flames were kicking the tires. It seems like they are perfectly fine playing the long game.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Really? I've been predicting this goes into 2022 for months. There's no rush on the Sabres side to complete this right now. Things won't get urgent for them until after the season. Friedman said weeks ago that the Sabres felt their patience with Ristolainen paid off because they ended getting a much better return than they were getting the years before when teams like the Flames were kicking the tires. It seems like they are perfectly fine playing the long game.

Ristolainen wasn't sidelined for months though, with questions about his long-term health muddying the water ... so the comparison makes little sense. Eichel's trade value will not miraculously recover.

[bax]

Originally Posted by devo22

Ristolainen wasn't sidelined for months though, with questions about his long-term health muddying the water ... so the comparison makes little sense. Eichel's trade value will not miraculously recover.

I believe the Sabres would prefer to avoid the whole grievance situation and this does get done before Christmas time.

I think the hold up is just the sheer complexity of the trade. The injury, conditions on picks, the surgery, the dollars involved. I bet they are exploring options where they have a third team brokering some of the cap.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by devo22

Ristolainen wasn't sidelined for months though, with questions about his long-term health muddying the water ... so the comparison makes little sense. Eichel's trade value will not miraculously recover.

Eichel's value, like the disks in his neck, will continue to erode. We are getting to the point where the longer this plays out, the more likely that long term damage to the spine is done and he will never 100% recover. I can see why the league and PA may have to get involved. This is not good for the player or the reputation of the league.

[442scotty]

Buffalo should let the guy get his surgery then trade him for a much better return. Maybe they have low confidence of a successful surgery.

[sureLoss]

Chris Johnston's latest update:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hocke...candidate.html

Another week passed and still Jack Eichel remains in limbo, despite trade talks that took on greater intensity in recent days. Vegas and Calgary engaged with the Buffalo Sabres. Anaheim may be lurking in the weeds. The NHL would prefer to see this situation resolved as soon as possible … There are whispers of a third team being brought in as an intermediary to retain some of Eichel’s salary in exchange for draft picks …

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Johnston's latest update:
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hocke...candidate.html

Is that Arizona's music? Now that Florida is good and Detroit is coming out of the rebuild, they've got that market cornered.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Is that Arizona's music? Now that Florida is good and Detroit is coming out of the rebuild, they've got that market cornered.

Interesting that Buffalo is not in that market as well. They’ve had a good start to the season (unlike Arizona) but if before the season started most people were to pick the two most likely teams to finish at the bottom of the standings it would be Buffalo and Arizona I think. So I would think Buffalo would be willing to retain salary if it increased the return for eichel. Maybe not though… they will have star players that need new contracts 3 years from now so maybe they don’t want $1-2 million in retained salary from eichel limiting them at that time.


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[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Man, did I love picking him in pools. “I choose Satan”.

Plus then he’d always outscore his draft position because he was tremendously underrated.

A guy didn't show up for a draft party my cousin was hosting so my wife ended up being recruited to take his place. She didn't know many players so used a strategy of picking players whose names she found the funniest.

She picked Satan, he had a good year, and was a large part of her ending up in second place and even winning some cash at the end of the year.

Hail Satan indeed!

[Scroopy Noopers]

Take whatever we wanted to trade away, divide it by 3, and use that 1/3rd to get Kravstov and Josh Anderson.