[Rumour] Seravalli: Eichel resolution expected in coming days; VGK and Buffalo talks very active

[dissentowner]

Again, can anyone explain to me exactly how they can make this work cap wise once their injured players return? All of those big ticket guys have some kind of NTC and are not going to want to leave Vegas.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Lots of risk for sure but if Vegas pulls this off and get a healthy eichel in their lineup I think the odds of the flames coming out of the division are pretty much done for a half decade. Oilers witb mcdavid and draisaitl, Vegas with a very good core + eichel. Even if one has an off year ypu have a second team with a few top 20 players there and odds of them both having an off year are pretty much nonexistent. the best the flames can hope for is Vegas at least beats the oilers and shuts then out of a cup.

Yeah. The Oilers have been awesome with MCD and Drai the last 5 or 6 seasons.

Almost unbeatable...oh wait...

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Lots of risk for sure but if Vegas pulls this off and get a healthy eichel in their lineup I think the odds of the flames coming out of the division are pretty much done for a half decade. Oilers witb mcdavid and draisaitl, Vegas with a very good core + eichel. Even if one has an off year ypu have a second team with a few top 20 players there and odds of them both having an off year are pretty much nonexistent. the best the flames can hope for is Vegas at least beats the oilers and shuts then out of a cup.

Because the Oilers have been such a perennial threat to come out of the division?

[Matty81]

Guessing probably theodore, krebs, a makeweight salary forward they can flip for picks and a 1st?

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am very happy the team is off to a great start because losing Eichel is a tough one. Why did we have to be named as one of the final teams? Why get our hopes up? I just wish we were never mentioned rather than being rumored and coming up short again.

That is the thing about the last 3 years of inactivity in the trade market. We are always a team listed to be in on someone so when we fall short it becomes so much more irritating with each passing player.

With you. The cupboard is dry, so it's tough for the Flames to hang in these trade talks when we are pitted against the Vegas's of the world. People that point to it as a downfall of Treliving aren't factoring in we don't have the same trade chips to deal with (arguably his fault).

[Matty81]

I hear everybody on the oilers track record but I do feel like the flames have been pretty clearly second best against them head to head last couple of years. I hate the oilers more than anyone but I don't see them being anything other than a playoff team the next few years and stealing one of those 3 divisional spots. Hope to be wrong but those two players only seem to be getting more dominant


Add a healthy eichel to Vegas and it's not a pretty picture. But who knows if he does come back at 100%

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Guessing probably theodore, krebs, a makeweight salary forward they can flip for picks and a 1st?

Thats a heavy package, if that's what it is glad we are steering clear.

For us our equivalent would probably be,

Hanifin+Monahan+Dube+Zary/Coronato+2022 1st........ thats ugly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Again, can anyone explain to me exactly how they can make this work cap wise once their injured players return? All of those big ticket guys have some kind of NTC and are not going to want to leave Vegas.

Theodore and Krebs are $6M. So they need 4 more in space, but only if and when Eichel comes back and then only if the other LTIR guys come back too. I suppose they could trade Tuch - anyone would want him and he doesn’t have any NTC. The could move Smith for $5M

Also they have no full NTCs except Pietrangelo and Stone’s NMCs. So they can move the other big guys. Just to a lesser number of teams.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I hear everybody on the oilers track record but I do feel like the flames have been pretty clearly second best against them head to head last couple of years. I hate the oilers more than anyone but I don't see them being anything other than a playoff team the next few years and stealing one of those 3 divisional spots. Hope to be wrong but those two players only seem to be getting more dominant


Add a healthy eichel to Vegas and it's not a pretty picture. But who knows if he does come back at 100%

True the last couple have been in Oilers favour but only 3 losing records since 2006, and overall favours the Flames.

http://www.mcubed.net/nhl/edm/cal.shtml

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Thats a heavy package, if that's what it is glad we are steering clear.

For us our equivalent would probably be,

Hanifin+Monahan+Dube+Zary/Coronato+2022 1st........ thats ugly.

My guess is that Buffalo had little interest in Monahan, and probably wanted someone better....Maybe Mangiapane or Kylington. Calgary said f-off.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I hear everybody on the oilers track record but I do feel like the flames have been pretty clearly second best against them head to head last couple of years. I hate the oilers more than anyone but I don't see them being anything other than a playoff team the next few years and stealing one of those 3 divisional spots. Hope to be wrong but those two players only seem to be getting more dominant


Add a healthy eichel to Vegas and it's not a pretty picture. But who knows if he does come back at 100%

The Oilers won 6 times to the Flames 4 last year and won once compared with 3 wins for the Flames in 2019/20.

So each team won two more games than the other team the last 2 years. Far from clearly one being second best.

I feel like you clearly read too much Oiler propaganda and/or hang out around too many Oiler fans and should probably look at the actual results.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I hear everybody on the oilers track record but I do feel like the flames have been pretty clearly second best against them head to head last couple of years.

3-1-0 in 2019–20
2-2-0 in 2018–19
2-2-1 in 2017–18

Last year was the first season since 2017 that the Oilers won the season series with Calgary.

I hate the oilers more than anyone but I don't see them being anything other than a playoff team the next few years and stealing one of those 3 divisional spots.

No. No, you do not. These are famously the words of a person who does not actually hate the Oilers much at all, but rather is attempting vainly to cover an embarrassing affinity for that dog#### pile of garbage hockey team up North.

You are not fooling anyone.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

My guess is that Buffalo had little interest in Monahan, and probably wanted someone better....Maybe Mangiapane or Kylington. Calgary said f-off.

Calgary wouldn’t have balked at Kylington, despite his great start. He’s only a couple months from being exposed in expansion.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454206898446737412

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454207356384972800

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

3-1-0 in 2019–20
2-2-0 in 2018–19
2-2-1 in 2017–18

Last year was the first season since 2017 that the Oilers won the season series with Calgary.


No. No, you do not. These are famously the words of a person who does not actually hate the Oilers much at all, but rather is attempting vainly to cover an embarrassing affinity for that dog#### pile of garbage hockey team up North.

You are not fooling anyone.

Holy geez that's an aggressive response personally. I loathe the oilers. I'm not going to go on a diatribe about how much I detest the organization and so many of it's players over the years, or least try not to. I feel like I lose my cool talking about that franchise so often I'm so irrational in my hate of them. Them being handed McDavid has lessened my liking of the whole NHL and made me a pretty aggressive critic of the whole draft system and franchise model of sports leagues.

Here's how I see it:
2017-2019 Oilers 9 wins, Calgary 4
2020 the Flames rebound and take the series
Since then Oilers 7 wins Calgary 4

I think their depth is crap, their goalie is weak, their blueline is bad, but they have two of the best five players in the game on their roster, and by far the best player in the world, scoring at over a 2ppg clip. I watch our team play them the last couple of years and when those two guys are in stride and the Flames are not flawless discipline wise, their PP walks all over the flames. It's anecdotal but for me I feel like Calgary has struggled to stay with them and their forward depth has improved this year significantly with Foegele and Hyman. Anyway it makes me sick to defend them but I can't accept anybody saying I have an affinity for the Oilers, that's the most ####ing embarrassing thing I've heard someone say to me. Today. Lol.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

With you. The cupboard is dry, so it's tough for the Flames to hang in these trade talks when we are pitted against the Vegas's of the world. People that point to it as a downfall of Treliving aren't factoring in we don't have the same trade chips to deal with (arguably his fault).

Vegas has been a little cavalier with selling their future for some "impact now" players since their first season. If Vegas seals the deal, I can only imagine the price is higher than we would be willing to pay, and might deeply impact their season. Buffalo is not doing favors for anyone, so the people out there who are saying the cap space will work because they will just send players x/y/z who have term and possibly nmc/ntc's are ignoring the fact that Buffalo won't take it.

Buffalo WILL have to take some salary, in order to hit the cap floor. But it is likely if they take Theodore, the only other big contract is someone like Smith, since his contract comes off the books next year. So Vegas, already injury depleted will give up 3 roster players, one of which is a prospect, and a pick, for a player on LTIR. And if more than Eichel comes back, they may find themselves in trouble trying to fit under cap. I know some people are saying they will Kucherov it, but if anything, the league will be watching for it, and there will be no shortage of other GM's looking to spoil Vegas plan.

And if Buffalo doesn't back down on Krebs, and Vegas pays, who is Vegas' next best prospect? They could find themselves short on prospects/picks for the future, struggling to compete for the current season, and struggling to fit all the re-signs under the cap in the summer.

While I am not optimistic the flames can make this happen, I disagree with any offers people propose for any team involving Buffalo either retaining salary (if they do it would be marginal and just enough to fit the deal), or taking bad contracts, especially bad contracts with term. Same with any deal involving players waiving to go there. After not just Eichel, but what Lehner had to say about Buffalo, I doubt anyone is itching to go there.

[CliffFletcher]

A guess:

Smith
Krebs
Cormier
2022 2nd. Becomes 2022 1st if Eichel plays at least 20 games (regular season + playoffs) in 2021-22.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A guess:

Smith
Krebs
Cormier
2022 2nd. Becomes 2022 1st if Eichel plays at least 20 games (regular season + playoffs) in 2021-22.

I will puke if we can't top that

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A guess:

Smith
Krebs
Cormier
2022 2nd. Becomes 2022 1st if Eichel plays at least 20 games (regular season + playoffs) in 2021-22.
2022 3rd

I feel like the Flames would have done better than that

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A guess:

Smith
Krebs
Cormier
2022 2nd. Becomes 2022 1st if Eichel plays at least 20 games (regular season + playoffs) in 2021-22.

That would be hard to take Calgary not beating if true. But then I do not think Krebs is much better than Coronado or Zary and maybe Buffalo really sees him as something special