[Rumour] Seravalli: Eichel resolution expected in coming days; VGK and Buffalo talks very active

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I am arguing with the people who are literally saying that the Flames should get the deal done no matter what it costs.

Well then quit quoting me, because I never said that lol.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Well then quit quoting me, because I never said that lol.

You're the one who couldn't see the similarity between the Hamonic deal and the proposed Eichel deals. So I pointed it out. Cope.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I am arguing with the people who are literally saying that the Flames should get the deal done no matter what it costs.

If it costs guys that aren't playing for this team plus a guy like Monahan who is underwhelming, you make that trade.

Pelletier and Zary are not going to end up being keys to contending for this team.

Eichel might be.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If it costs guys that aren't playing for this team plus a guy like Monahan who is underwhelming, you make that trade.

That's not what some people are suggesting now. They want to give up all that + Hanifin and multiple 1st-round picks.

I say that's definitely too much.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're the one who couldn't see the similarity between the Hamonic deal and the proposed Eichel deals. So I pointed it out. Cope.

There is a big difference between overpaying for something than be acquired much more cheaply and regularly (a top 4 Dman) and overpaying for something that you can almost never acquire without drafting it yourself (a #1C)

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Still not sure why Markstrom wanted to stay in western Canada..

Lol Brad put a lot of work into acquiring a bunch of Swedes. And then acquiring more Swedes to keep the current ones happy.

Its like Little Sweden over on the Flames roster.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If it costs guys that aren't playing for this team plus a guy like Monahan who is underwhelming, you make that trade.

Pelletier and Zary are not going to end up being keys to contending for this team.

Eichel might be.

I'm not sure I could so easily say that Pelletier and Zary won't be keys to the Flames being contenders. They both could end up being above average 2nd line players. Those are super valuable to contending teams especially if they are on entry level deals.

I get that neither will be Eichel level, but definitely could be a big part of winning a cup or at least helping a team be a contender.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

There is a big difference between overpaying for something than be acquired much more cheaply and regularly (a top 4 Dman) and overpaying for something that you can almost never acquire without drafting it yourself (a #1C)

Yeah. The price for the second one without overpaying is a lot higher. But if you pay double the value of the cheap item, you hurt yourself a lot less than if you pay double the value of the expensive one.

Given the known and obvious risks of acquiring Eichel, plus that $10 million cap hit, I'd say some of the proposals getting tossed around probably are about twice his value.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

One is easily acquired and moves around seemingly every off season.

The other is one of the hardest commodities to acquire in hockey, probably THE hardest commodity to acquire.

Treliving should be jumping at the opportunity to get Eichel, and a few "maybe" prospects and picks shouldn't stop him, ESPECIALLY when the team is trying to compete and win right now.

I still think that if it came down to a few maybe prospects then the deal would have been done already. Zary or Pelletier are not the hold up. If Krebs is in the deal, then we don't have a player of similar pedigree. So, Vegas beat us there.

I don't know the offer from the Flames but a comparable offer to the Vegas rumour starts with Hanifin and it is still not as good as the Vegas offer. Again, the Vegas offer is better.

Perhaps the Flames had the best offer and Adams was waiting to see if someone blinked first and that is Vegas.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I'm not sure I could so easily say that Pelletier and Zary won't be keys to the Flames being contenders. They both could end up being above average 2nd line players. Those are super valuable to contending teams especially if they are on entry level deals.

I get that neither will be Eichel level, but definitely could be a big part of winning a cup or at least helping a team be a contender.

Players of that caliber are more easily acquired. There will be zary types floating around. Just like Coleman was.

Eichels are not nearly as available. Will be next to impossible to acquire a guy like him after he is taken off the market.

We will not draft top 3 with this group playing under Sutter. This is our one avenue to a 1C.

We need to stop valuing maybe second liners over top line centers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Fair.

But we have gotten our fair share of players. Still not sure why Markstrom wanted to stay in western Canada, but he did pick us and Tanev too. Throw in Blake Coleman too. I'd say Neal and Brouwer count too, but I'd still like to forget those signings ever happened at all.

Neal and Brouwer count with respect to the Treliving can't get players to sign argument. They just don't help regarding pro scouting.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah. The price for the second one without overpaying is a lot higher. But if you pay double the value of the cheap item, you hurt yourself a lot less than if you pay double the value of the expensive one.

Given the known and obvious risks of acquiring Eichel, plus that $10 million cap hit, I'd say some of the proposals getting tossed around probably are about twice his value.

I can agree with this.

The only thing off the current roster that I want to see moved for Eichel is Monahan and Zadarov (cap purposes). The rest should be futures.

There is no point weakening your roster to get Eichel when the biggest reason you are trying to acquire Eichel is to push the current roster over the top. Now you also have the Flames off to a strong start and you don't want to screw that up either.

[Johnny Makarov]

I was just googling stats for Krebs and found out that krebs is German for cancer.

Do the Sabres really want a cancer in their dressing room?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Toonage

But they can't compete to win right now if part of the ask is Hanifin off the current roster and with no guarantee that Eichel will play at all this year.

If Hanifin was what it took to nab Eichel, then the trade should've been executed in the summer prior to the expansion draft. Losing Hanifin + for Eichel would've been just fine had the Flames been able to keep Gio.

But obviously right now, it wouldn't make much sense to trade our only top 4 LHD for a player who might not even play this season.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Players of that caliber are more easily acquired. There will be zary types floating around. Just like Coleman was.

Eichels are not nearly as available. Will be next to impossible to acquire a guy like him after he is taken off the market.

We will not draft top 3 with this group playing under Sutter. This is our one avenue to a 1C.

We need to stop valuing maybe second liners over top line centers.

I agree with this mostly. I just feel that we would be trading for next year not this year. We would be gutting the future and that could be OK or a disaster... I guess it depends on Eichel being great next year and getting johnny and Tkachuk signed. I think there are good and bad things with both approaches.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I was just googling stats for Krebs and found out that krebs is German for cancer.

Do the Sabres really want a cancer in their dressing room?

Could it be that krebs also means "crab"? A last name you also see occasionally in English. I know in some languages, the word for "crab" is also used as the word for "cancer". For example, in Croatian, the word for crab is "rak" and is used for the disease and the animal.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Could it be that krebs also means "crab"? A last name you also see occasionally in English. I know in some languages, the word for "crab" is also used as the word for "cancer". For example, in Croatian, the word for crab is "rak" and is used for the disease and the animal.

Krebs is German for both ‘crustacean’ and ‘cancer’.

The word cancer itself is Latin for ‘crab’.

It all fits.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

...Chances are though, if the Flames don't acquire Eichel, 3 years from now if we find out the only thing that came between the Flames and Eichel was Treliving's unwillingness to part ways with Hanifin, we are going to be shaking our heads at that stupid decision.

I mean, this could happen. But I don't see any reason at all to expect that there is any more chance of this than any number of other possible outcomes. It is dumb to start getting upset about deals that haven't happened.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I agree with this mostly. I just feel that we would be trading for next year not this year. We would be gutting the future and that could be OK or a disaster... I guess it depends on Eichel being great next year and getting johnny and Tkachuk signed. I think there are good and bad things with both approaches.

That's fair.

Just want people to keep their perspectives in check when it comes to how they value players.

In my experience of watching trades over my lifetime, great proven pieces accomplish more for a team than multiple good and could be good pieces.

Seen it time and time again. Getting into the trap of valuing potential over proven entities ends up being foolish. We can't get too enamored with these guys. Years past, people were pwnciling shinkaruk and poirier in as second liners too and we were all wrong about them.

If we are looking at staying a good team, you acrue as many zaries and pelletiers as you can. If you want to legitimately contend, and deep runs matter more to you than sustaining your 90 point team status, you trade that volume of good for great.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Could it be that krebs also means "crab"? A last name you also see occasionally in English. I know in some languages, the word for "crab" is also used as the word for "cancer". For example, in Croatian, the word for crab is "rak" and is used for the disease and the animal.

yeah, in German we use it both for cancer and crab.

we use "Eichel" for different things too, but that's a completely different story lol