[News] Quenneville resigns as Head Coach of the Panthers.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I wonder if Chevy survives? JQ’s words at the meeting saying he didn’t want this to be a distraction made him look bad.

Chevy was the AGM. Would you feel comfortable rocking the boat and ratting out your boss for mishandling a sexual misconduct case? He can make the case that he was the lowest on the food chain and was intimidated by his superiors.

Quenville’s role in this is really bad. Chevy’s role is a bit more nuanced.

I still think he resigns.

Isn’t the source on that quote Bowman who doesn’t like Quenville? I think it’s a bit convenient that he was the only guy in the room saying that. It was probably all of them

I think same standard should apply to Chevy considering he chose to lie about it still a decade later and did nothing at the time

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Re his decision to stay behind the bench last night - All I can think of is that he was waiting for things to get forced and the panthers to come for the table to protect himself and his family financially and if he voluntarily resigned he would have been walking away from millions. It's hard to explain otherwise, was such a bad look last night.

Another question for me is Bettman and why he waits until after the game to meet with him giving the league a black eye when this was an obvious move after the tsn interview aired

Re: Bettman, the guy is a lawyer. It's not a simple conversation, and with the report seemingly just coming out I'm sure he'd like to handle it similar to a court case and prep (to some degree). I don't get the raking of the coals over for Bettman. He has a huge responsibility here...preparation wouldn't be a bad thing. Perhaps both guys should've been suspended until it was resolved, but I don't blame him for needing time to prepare for something important.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The fact that all these guys are still lying about it speaks volumes as to their character here. None seem remorseful for their inaction in protecting Kyle, and then the 2nd member in the organization that has not been named, and then the 16 year old. They have shown zero remorse.


A good person in that situation would probably have been guilt-stricken, no? How they managed to continue with their careers at the highest level of the sport is beyond me. They continued to deny it right until the end. If not for people like them, monsters like Aldrich may only have the chance to ruin one life in their lifetime, not many.


So no, these aren't 'good people' caught up in something. These are people who have allowed monsters like Aldrich to continue destroying the lives of others. It is that black and white.

[FlamesAddiction]

True. It does take some time and preparation to find out how much hush money you need to pay someone before they resign.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by fleury

Re: Bettman, the guy is a lawyer. It's not a simple conversation, and with the report seemingly just coming out I'm sure he'd like to handle it similar to a court case and prep (to some degree). I don't get the raking of the coals over for Bettman. He has a huge responsibility here...preparation wouldn't be a bad thing. Perhaps both guys should've been suspended until it was resolved, but I don't blame him for needing time to prepare for something important.

I think Bettman wanted to see what the teams would do. And I’m not sure he has the power to make a team fire or suspend a coach with the snap of his fingers. But I wonder how long he had the report before it was released (I’m sure they had to share it with him).

[Roof-Daddy]

Thank goodness heads continue to roll. Heads that deserve to roll.

Hopefully not done yet, and I hope there will be another investigation done, one that isn't paid for and conducted by the Blackhawks.

[bluejays]

With respect to the report, I'm pretty surprised in hindsight the team conducted it and not the league. I guess it was impartial, but still, conflict of interest wise, you'd want to avoid that obvious potential dismissal of the findings based on who's paying the bill. What I'd have liked pointed out in more detail on the report is the chain of how things were told to team management up the chain. I'm a little unclear on how that all went down and exactly what was said to upper management (including Quenneville). It's impossible to get exact quotes 10 years later but it would be important to know who was in the room at the time and what was said in what manner. So if Quenneville was in the room who was speaking and exactly what did they say? Were they explicit as to what happened or was it a broken telephone message passed through? So many questions. I'm sure Gary wanted to be the first to call and find additional detail.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Here is part of it:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453809788215832579

Watch some skeletons come out of his closet next.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Bettman wanted to see what the teams would do. And I’m not sure he has the power to make a team fire or suspend a coach with the snap of his fingers. But I wonder how long he had the report before it was released (I’m sure they had to share it with him).

I thought the Hawks got it only 24 hours before it was made public. Not 100% sure though.

[PepsiFree]

It’s worth noting that, in the report, Jim Gary comes off pretty well by claiming to having been the one to inform everyone of sexual harassment and threats by Aldrich, though nobody backs that up. Conveniently, Gary is also the one who told Beach it was his fault for being sexually assaulted, so exactly how likely do you think Gary was being honest and not trying to make himself look like a “helper.”

I don’t think you can trust anything in the report. A guy like Chevy only looks ok because he makes himself look ok in it.

Torchetti and Vincent are the only higher ups Beach thanks. Sopel and Boynton are the only players Beach thanks. Nobody else gets a pass.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by fleury

Re: Bettman, the guy is a lawyer. It's not a simple conversation, and with the report seemingly just coming out I'm sure he'd like to handle it similar to a court case and prep (to some degree). I don't get the raking of the coals over for Bettman. He has a huge responsibility here...preparation wouldn't be a bad thing. Perhaps both guys should've been suspended until it was resolved, but I don't blame him for needing time to prepare for something important.

I get the need to prepare but why not suspend with pay for the one game pending the meeting. Not without precedent for players at least. I will readily admit that I'm carrying some bias as i have this perception of Bettman as the ultimate corporate bottom line focused sleeze devoid of ethics. But even with that bias being put aside I feel like it's not good enough for him to pass the buck on the response to the interview even for a day. The buck stops with him and the league should have stepped in rather than let Q coach if the Panthers weren't going to.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s worth noting that, in the report, Jim Gary comes off pretty well by claiming to having been the one to inform everyone of sexual harassment and threats by Aldrich, though nobody backs that up. Conveniently, Gary is also the one who told Beach it was his fault for being sexually assaulted, so exactly how likely do you think Gary was being honest and not trying to make himself look like a “helper.”

I don’t think you can trust anything in the report. A guy like Chevy only looks ok because he makes himself look ok in it.

Torchetti and Vincent are the only higher ups Beach thanks. Sopel and Boynton are the only players Beach thanks. Nobody else gets a pass.

Yeah, there were so many uncorroborated pieces the report talks about. The lady Aldrich and Beach were having relations with that night seemed to paint a slightly different story than either of them had. Chalk some of that to ten years later, alcohol, whatever, but there are different views. That's why I'm very curious to see how the message was passed from one to the next in Management to hear those different points of view about the same story.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I get the need to prepare but why not suspend with pay for the one game pending the meeting. Not without precedent for players at least. I will readily admit that I'm carrying some bias as i have this perception of Bettman as the ultimate corporate bottom line focused sleeze devoid of ethics. But even with that bias being put aside I feel like it's not good enough for him to pass the buck on the response to the interview even for a day. The buck stops with him and the league should have stepped in rather than let Q coach if the Panthers weren't going to.

How? Under what ability does a league get to suspend a coach like that?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I get the need to prepare but why not suspend with pay for the one game pending the meeting. Not without precedent for players at least. I will readily admit that I'm carrying some bias as i have this perception of Bettman as the ultimate corporate bottom line focused sleeze devoid of ethics. But even with that bias being put aside I feel like it's not good enough for him to pass the buck on the response to the interview even for a day. The buck stops with him and the league should have stepped in rather than let Q coach if the Panthers weren't going to.

I can't speak to Gary's ethics. He has a responsibility being commish to protect the league and the players, and with something like this being more important to the league's reputation than any game going on that night, I don't know why they didn't send the message down to suspend pending investigation. It would have looked better, but perhaps Florida's ownership or management had a discussion with the coach and they were satisfied with the rudimentary explanation? I dunno.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How? Under what ability does a league get to suspend a coach like that?

The league suspends people for off ice conduct regularly. two small examples that come to mind. Torts got 15 games for his actions in the hallway after the line brawl with the flames. Avery got suspended for comments in the media. personal opinion- I think its inexcusable that quenneville coached last night on the heels of that interview and the report being released earlier in the day

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Matty81

The league suspends people for off ice conduct regularly. two small examples that come to mind. Torts got 15 games for his actions in the hallway after the line brawl with the flames. Avery got suspended for comments in the media. I think its inexcusable that quenneville coached last night on the heels of that interview and the report being released earlier in the day

Those were actions that occurred right at the time. Torts was an in game action. And he got a hearing before his suspension.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Those were actions that occurred right at the time. Torts was an in game action. And he got a hearing before his suspension.

All i am saying is there is a history of suspending coaches, and a history of suspending players pending a hearing. Have a hard time wrapping my head around this one. Maybe there is some rule in the nhl club regulations or whatever govern coach discipline preventing the suspension of a coach pre hearing and this is solely on the panthers, but either way it was an absolutely brutal look for the league last night. By all means do your due diligence and ensure the outcome is fair and based on solid info. But I've never worked anywhere where hr wouldn't have told an employee to take the day off while they investigated an allegation of this magnitude with any degree of existing substantiation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Matty81

All i am saying is there is a history of suspending coaches, and a history of suspending players pending a hearing. Have a hard time wrapping my head around this one. Maybe there is some rule in the nhl club regulations or whatever govern coach discipline preventing the suspension of a coach pre hearing and this is solely on the panthers, but either way it was an absolutely brutal look for the league last night. By all means do your due diligence and ensure the outcome is fair and based on solid info. But I've never worked anywhere where hr wouldn't have told an employee to take the day off while they investigated an allegation of this magnitude with any degree of existing substantiation.

The problem is Q isn’t an NHL employee - he’s one step removed. It’s also possible Bettman assumed Q wouldn’t be behind the bench anyway, either by his own choice or the Panthers. It seems pretty clear to me that he ended up forcing the Panthers’ hand in getting rid of Q.

[djsFlames]

Calgary is tops in the west.

Florida tops in the east.

Sutter vs. Torts is destiny.

[Mr.Coffee]

Frothy drunk post, but Calis post was straight up wrong.