[News] Quenneville resigns as Head Coach of the Panthers.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

My judgement is absolutely fine, thank you very much. Don't presume anything just because I like the team.

I will pose it the other way. What if this news came out about Sutter tomorrow? After this hot start, are you treating him with as much animosity as Quenneville? Somehow I doubt it.

There are few situations where morality is absolute and certain. I shudder to think that you can feel that way.

I get that everyone is mad. I'm mad too. However, I also think everyone needs to be rational in the wake of this. Mob justice and extreme viewpoints are no way to deal with tragedies like this one.

It already happened to the Flames with Peters, 99% of this board thought he should be out. (for saying the N word)

You are acting like JQ had to fall on his sword for something out of his control.

Extreme viewpoints! its a sexual assaults that he swept under the rug and lied about for 10 years until today when Gary made him own up to it.

He lied about it yesterday FFS

#### hockey, its a kids game for cying out loud...wins and losses are nothing compared to this. People's lives have been ruined.

We are cheering for laundry

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

My judgement is absolutely fine, thank you very much. Don't presume anything just because I like the team.

I will pose it the other way. What if this news came out about Sutter tomorrow? After this hot start, are you treating him with as much animosity as Quenneville? Somehow I doubt it.

There are few situations where morality is absolute and certain. I shudder to think that you can feel that way.

I get that everyone is mad. I'm mad too. However, I also think everyone needs to be rational in the wake of this. Mob justice and extreme viewpoints are no way to deal with tragedies like this one.

Absolutely! I'd want Sutter kicked to the curb in a heartbeat. Is this a serious question? It's the exact reason this entire thing happened - people putting a game ahead of someone's life.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Dave Hodge nails it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453757062811426821

Totally true. So much lip service from the media talking heads. Saying the popular thing is so easy now that someone else did the hard work. So silly.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

That isn't true.

Bill Peters resigned after he negotiated a severance package with the Flames. I am sure Quenneville negotiated one too.


The reason they prefer resignations is that there is significantly less chance of a wrongful termination law suit coming forth because the guy quit and wasn't fired.

Yeah these are all negotiated exits. Fired, resigned, relieved of duties are semantics. Their contracts gave both Peters and Quenneville some financial leverage in their settlement. They would have relinquished their right to sue as part of the settlement, as well as negotiate the terminology around their exit.

Because Quenneville's exit happened so fast, I'm guessing Florida wasn't trying to save any money here.

[Wastedyouth]

That's funny. I don't think I've ever cared about a coach. Not enough to excuse him if he was involved in something like this. Certainly wouldn't give Sutter the benefit of the doubt.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Maybe. None of us know until we're in those sorts of high pressure situations. I'm a person who tries not to judge too harshly. I'm not saying he's clean or didn't do anything wrong, he certainly did, and he did deserve a severe punishment, but I don't think it means he's automatically a monster.

There is room for two thoughts in my head at the same time. There's room for shades of gray and nuance. That's all.

I have to disagree here.


There is room for nuance in many situations, but there wasn't then, and there isn't now.


Nobody is saying Quenneville is a monster, but he allowed a monster to continue having access to the young men he was directly responsible for. He could have stopped it, but he chose not to.



As recently as yesterday, he continued to play the 'I didn't know about it' card. There is no defending him. I wouldn't ever expect an NHL team to give him the responsibility of being in charge of young men again.


I would agree with your nuanced grey insight into this if he decided to keep it quiet, but actually pushed that monster out the door and protected his players then. There is nothing nuanced about how terrible he acted then, and how he has continued (up until he was shown the door) claiming complete ignorance right up until he was forced out. There is zero nuance about it IMO.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Absolutely! I'd want Sutter kicked to the curb in a heartbeat. Is this a serious question? It's the exact reason this entire thing happened - people putting a game ahead of someone's life.

I’m insulted that anyone would even think otherwise because I’m a Flames fan. Gross.

[dino7c]

Flames fans and management have already shown they put certain things above hockey...organization might not have a lot of positive results on the ice in recent years but that much we can say for sure.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm not sure how I look at Quenneville as a human being. I guess it really depends on how much information they had. He says - as do they all, I gather, in some way or another - that they were aware of inappropriate behaviour in the sense of making advances and trying to pressure a player into a sexual encounter, but that they didn't know that a sexual assault had actually occurred. If that's true, then his behaviour doesn't reflect well on him.

If, however, they're lying, and they knew the exact details to be what Beach has said they were in the report... well, then yeah, it's hard to come to any other conclusion than "terrible person".

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by cali panthers fan

my judgement is absolutely fine, thank you very much. Don't presume anything just because i like the team.

I will pose it the other way. What if this news came out about sutter tomorrow? After this hot start, are you treating him with as much animosity as quenneville? Somehow i doubt it.

There are few situations where morality is absolute and certain. I shudder to think that you can feel that way.

I get that everyone is mad. I'm mad too. However, i also think everyone needs to be rational in the wake of this. Mob justice and extreme viewpoints are no way to deal with tragedies like this one.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453744276316299266

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I think it literally aired as the game was happening, IIRC.

Easy there tiger. You got your pound of flesh.

Shouldn’t have taken the interview to realize that he shouldn’t be on the bench that night.

The full report came out early that afternoon and Quenneville was already named in that report.

He shouldn’t have been coaching just based on the report alone.

Then the interview was an hour before the puck dropped, and he was named directly again and they still let him on the bench.

You mentioned Calgary but looked how they handled the Peters situation.

The tweets came out during the game. Already by that night the flames pulled Peters from the media responsibility and mentioned they were starting an investigation. Then he was pulled from coaching the team and forced to resign before the NHL even had a chance to intervene.

Florida didn’t act here until the NHL made them.

[Lanny_McDonald]

It will be interesting to see how the Panthers respond to this as a team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not sure how I look at Quenneville as a human being. I guess it really depends on how much information they had. He says - as do they all, I gather, in some way or another - that they were aware of inappropriate behaviour in the sense of making advances and trying to pressure a player into a sexual encounter, but that they didn't know that a sexual assault had actually occurred. If that's true, then his behaviour doesn't reflect well on him.

If, however, they're lying, and they knew the exact details to be what Beach has said they were in the report... well, then yeah, it's hard to come to any other conclusion than "terrible person".

at the very "best"

the coach under him is making unwanted sexual advances towards one of his players...does nothing and recommends him for another job so he can do it again!

Its not if he is terrible, its how terrible

I think I will believe the victim, GM, and all the retired players on this one that he knew everything.

At least the one guy in charge who finally told the truth isn't the only one going down now

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

at the very "best"

the coach under him is making unwanted sexual advances towards one of his players...does nothing and recommends him for another job so he can do it again!

Its not if he is terrible, its how terrible

I think I will believe the victim, GM, and all the retired players on this one that he knew everything.

At least the one guy in charge who finally told the truth isn't the only one going down now

Plus Beach in his interview talked about other meetings in his office. I assume that means he was there.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I wonder if Chevy survives? JQ’s words at the meeting saying he didn’t want this to be a distraction made him look bad.

Chevy was the AGM. Would you feel comfortable rocking the boat and ratting out your boss for mishandling a sexual misconduct case? He can make the case that he was the lowest on the food chain and was intimidated by his superiors.

Quenville’s role in this is really bad. Chevy’s role is a bit more nuanced.

I still think he resigns.

[Chi-Town Hustler]

What if they hired Peters and then he could be reunited with Bennett and misplay him?


I like Bennett btw.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I wonder if Chevy survives? JQ’s words at the meeting saying he didn’t want this to be a distraction made him look bad.

Chevy was the AGM. Would you feel comfortable rocking the boat and ratting out your boss for mishandling a sexual misconduct case? He can make the case that he was the lowest on the food chain and was intimidated by his superiors.

Quenville’s role in this is really bad. Chevy’s role is a bit more nuanced.

I still think he resigns.

Chevy has no less responsibility than anyone else after hearing Beach’s story. He was an adult. He was one of Aldrich’s superiors. He didn’t do anything. He didn’t say anything. He did nothing to support Beach and is just as culpable as others in that meeting.

He has to go.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I wonder if Chevy survives? JQ’s words at the meeting saying he didn’t want this to be a distraction made him look bad.

Chevy was the AGM. Would you feel comfortable rocking the boat and ratting out your boss for mishandling a sexual misconduct case? He can make the case that he was the lowest on the food chain and was intimidated by his superiors.

Quenville’s role in this is really bad. Chevy’s role is a bit more nuanced.

I still think he resigns.

Chevy had less say at the time, and there’s nothing in the report as bad as with Q or some of the others. Chevy’s biggest issue right now is his denial this year. It was barely an acknowledgement that a meeting even happened.

[Matty81]

Re his decision to stay behind the bench last night - All I can think of is that he was waiting for things to get forced and the panthers to come for the table to protect himself and his family financially and if he voluntarily resigned he would have been walking away from millions. It's hard to explain otherwise, was such a bad look last night.

Another question for me is Bettman and why he waits until after the game to meet with him giving the league a black eye when this was an obvious move after the tsn interview aired

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

My judgement is absolutely fine, thank you very much. Don't presume anything just because I like the team.

I will pose it the other way. What if this news came out about Sutter tomorrow? After this hot start, are you treating him with as much animosity as Quenneville? Somehow I doubt it.

There are few situations where morality is absolute and certain. I shudder to think that you can feel that way.

I get that everyone is mad. I'm mad too. However, I also think everyone needs to be rational in the wake of this. Mob justice and extreme viewpoints are no way to deal with tragedies like this one.

Mob justice? How about what happened to Kyle Beach after he came forward. That was mob justice. This is delayed, but very appropriate justice. I hope you come to and get your head out of the sand.