[News] Kyle Beach reveals himself as John Doe, speaks out to TSN's Rick Westhead about abuse

[Buff]

Before this report came out I recall reading comments that Marc Bergevin is also on the hot seat. He was Director of Player Personell in Chicago at that time. Now the report came out and his name wasn't included, at least not mentioned in the press release and he wasn't in the meeting where the assault was talked about.

So how does he get away without a mention now though? Surely in his position he knew about it. Am I missing something? I'm surprised I haven't seen a lot of people calling for him to be fired or to be issuing an apology like other staff and players of the team at that time.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Buff

Before this report came out I recall reading comments that Marc Bergevin is also on the hot seat. He was Director of Player Personell in Chicago at that time. Now the report came out and his name wasn't included, at least not mentioned in the press release and he wasn't in the meeting where the assault was talked about.

So how does he get away without a mention now though? Surely in his position he knew about it. Am I missing something? I'm surprised I haven't seen a lot of people calling for him to be fired or to be issuing an apology like other staff and players of the team at that time.

Maybe he wasn't mentioned because he wasn't involved? Apparently Cheveldayoff was not even involved in the decision making but people want him cancelled. I don't think it's fair to go down the list of people that were employed by the organization at the time and assume they are all guilty of being part of the coverup.

[CroFlames]

I wish the other 31 owners had the balls to say the Chicago Blackhawks are no longer welcome in our league. Their ownership knew. The executives knew. Managers, coaches and players knew. Get this garbage organization out of here.

Frig it, promote the AHL champion from last season in their place.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I wish the other 31 owners had the balls to say the Chicago Blackhawks are no longer welcome in our league. Their ownership knew. The executives knew. Managers, coaches and players knew. Get this garbage organization out of here.

Frig it, promote the AHL champion from last season in their place.

It'd be foolish to think Chicago is the only organization in the NHL with this culture and these problems.

[dustygoon]

How to tell if something is systemic?

On one side there are numerous accounts from players like Kane, Ladd, Keith, Taves (i'm spelling his name how i want now), etc denying knowledge and supporting their leader

vs

On the other we have Sopel, Boynton, "vague rumours", homophobic slurs on the ice, etc that are obvious red flags at best.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe he wasn't mentioned because he wasn't involved? Apparently Cheveldayoff was not even involved in the decision making but people want him cancelled. I don't think it's fair to go down the list of people that were employed by the organization at the time and assume they are all guilty of being part of the coverup.

Can we not conflate being held accountable for protecting a known sexual predator and doing nothing about it with being "cancelled".

[djsFlames]

I don't know about the organization as a whole... This is on the 2010 Chicago Blackhawks specifically.

The organization has had many new faces since that didn't play a role. But that group needs to take accountability, down to every man that had knowledge of what unfolded.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe he wasn't mentioned because he wasn't involved? Apparently Cheveldayoff was not even involved in the decision making but people want him cancelled. I don't think it's fair to go down the list of people that were employed by the organization at the time and assume they are all guilty of being part of the coverup.

Right, I'm suprisded and I just don't understand. People are so hungry to see so many people fall for this that I'm surprised that somebody like Bergevin, whether it has merit or not, is completely left off the hitlist.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Can we not conflate being held accountable for protecting a known sexual predator and doing nothing about it with being "cancelled".

Is there any other way to go about it when people are arbitrarily calling for the heads of people when they have no idea of their involvement? Just eliminate everyone the was an employee at the time because that will make everyone feel better?

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe he wasn't mentioned because he wasn't involved? Apparently Cheveldayoff was not even involved in the decision making but people want him cancelled. I don't think it's fair to go down the list of people that were employed by the organization at the time and assume they are all guilty of being part of the coverup.

Cheveldayoff is being called out because in July he stated that he was not aware of the allegations at the time but the report the Blackhawks put out places him at the meeting with Bowman and the other executives.

Here is what he said to investigators. Spoiler for size.

Spoiler!

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Is there any other way to go about it when people are arbitrarily calling for the heads of people when they have no idea of their involvement? Just eliminate everyone the was an employee at the time because that will make everyone feel better?

How is anyone arbitrarily going after Chevy? It was said the entire executive group knew about this. They did nothing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe he wasn't mentioned because he wasn't involved? Apparently Cheveldayoff was not even involved in the decision making but people want him cancelled. I don't think it's fair to go down the list of people that were employed by the organization at the time and assume they are all guilty of being part of the coverup.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? We know that Cheveldayoff was present at the meeting, but the extent of his involvement remains really unclear. His later denials about being aware of the situation sound extremely hollow now, and I think he is rightly being criticised for being in a position to take some sort of action—any action, and doing nothing. He may not have been as actively involved as figures like Bowman, Quenneville and McDonough, but I think it is a mistake to absolve him completely based on the little bit that we know right now.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Buff

Before this report came out I recall reading comments that Marc Bergevin is also on the hot seat. He was Director of Player Personell in Chicago at that time. Now the report came out and his name wasn't included, at least not mentioned in the press release and he wasn't in the meeting where the assault was talked about.

So how does he get away without a mention now though? Surely in his position he knew about it. Am I missing something? I'm surprised I haven't seen a lot of people calling for him to be fired or to be issuing an apology like other staff and players of the team at that time.

Bergevin isn't named in the report.

At a high level the root failure identified in the report boils down to the inaction after a meeting that Bergevin was not present for:
1) MacIsaac hears about Beach and Aldrich from and Employee and asks Gary to find out if there is merit to what he's heard.
2) Gary talks to Beach and reports back there is merit to what McIsaac heard.
3) A meeting is held with McDonough, Gary (He is excused before meeting ends), Bowman, Chevy, Quennville, Blunk.

After this meeting nobody informed HR and/or began an investigation into the allegations. Instead from May 23 to June 14 nobody does anything. McDonough informs HR June 14. HR gives Aldrich a choice to resign or perform an investigation. He resigns.

There is no mention of Bergevin because the report intentionally left out names that weren't apart of that meeting.

It's likely that Bergevin knew about it IMO and to me he is accountable to say something if he hears something akin to the players that hear about it. Thing is when he does, if he doesn't go directly to HR it ends back at McDonough who already wasn't doing anything about it during the playoffs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Bergevin isn't named in the report.

At a high level the root failure identified in the report boils down to the inaction after a meeting that Bergevin was not present for:
1) MacIsaac hears about Beach and Aldrich from and Employee and asks Gary to find out if there is merit to what he's heard.
2) Gary talks to Beach and reports back there is merit to what McIsaac heard.
3) A meeting is held with McDonough, Gary (He is excused before meeting ends), Bowman, Chevy, Quennville, Blunk.

After this meeting nobody informed HR and/or began an investigation into the allegations. Instead from May 23 to June 14 nobody does anything. McDonough informs HR June 14. HR gives Aldrich a choice to resign or perform an investigation. He resigns.

There is no mention of Bergevin because the report intentionally left out names that weren't apart of that meeting.

It's likely that Bergevin knew about it IMO and to me he is accountable to say something if he hears something akin to the players that hear about it. Thing is when he does, if he doesn't go directly to HR it ends back at McDonough who already wasn't doing anything about it during the playoffs.

Agreed, Bergevin very likely knew what others knew threw the grapevine, but for whatever reason despite being part of management, wasn't directly part of the cabal that purposely suppressed information. At least that is how it sounds to me.

That doesn't get him off from his moral responsibilities IMO, but it explains why he isn't being mentioned a lot in the news.

[1_Flames_Fan]

NHL network rightfully roasting Toews and Kane for their insensitive and callous comments.

[Mazrim]

With how Toews' comments went down yesterday, you have to assume that Blackhawks PR figured they had done everything they needed to do with their press conference the day before. They clearly didn't prepare the players at all to answer media questions, and I suppose in this case I'm glad they didn't because we got what appears to be Toews' honest (and ugly) feelings on the matter.

[devo22]

Those players who are no longer in the NHL say that everybody knew (Sopel, Boynton, Lalonde).
Those players who are still in the NHL say that the players didn't know (Kane, Toews, Keith, Ladd).

go figure.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Maybe he wasn't mentioned because he wasn't involved? Apparently Cheveldayoff was not even involved in the decision making but people want him cancelled. I don't think it's fair to go down the list of people that were employed by the organization at the time and assume they are all guilty of being part of the coverup.

According to the reports (IIRC) Cheveldayoff was in the room and involved in the discussions around the issue.

A lot of WPG fans saying he should get off scot-free. I don't believe so. He may not have had a legal obligation to act (he says this) but he certainly had a moral one: as soon as it was clear nothing was going to happen, that moral obligation kicked in. There are numerous things he could have done - gone to ownership, the player himself for support, HR, back to McDonough etc. even if it wouldn't have changed a thing.

That he did not do so is on him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How did you arrive at that conclusion? We know that Cheveldayoff was present at the meeting, but the extent of his involvement remains really unclear. His later denials about being aware of the situation sound extremely hollow now, and I think he is rightly being criticised for being in a position to take some sort of action—any action, and doing nothing. He may not have been as actively involved as figures like Bowman, Quenneville and McDonough, but I think it is a mistake to absolve him completely based on the little bit that we know right now.

Yeah he was involved. According to the report his version was pretty different than the others in the room, which is not a strong point in his favour.

[Beatle17]

Reading news stories today from the all of the "insiders" and others covering sports just makes me more pissed at what happened to Beach. I honestly don't want to hear a thing from Friedman, MacKenzie, etc., again. God forbid Ron MacLean is going to lecture us all on Saturday again.

These guys are all phonies and don't have a leg to stand on as "insiders" ever again. The only stuff they talk about is what agents tell them to say and wouldn't call out league personnel for anything. It is just so frustrating.

I will listen to Westhead and Strang as those two have more spine than the rest combined.