[News] Kyle Beach reveals himself as John Doe, speaks out to TSN's Rick Westhead about abuse

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ped

I should add that even if Q and Chevy got fired, for it to be meaningful, it had to have happened already.

I could see them taking a bit of time to fire them. I think they should have sidelined Q though. Not sure if Chevy was at the rink for his game.

[The Big Chill]

It doesn’t feel right having games played today. Fans and players should step up and demand some accountability.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ped

I should add that even if Q and Chevy got fired, for it to be meaningful, it had to have happened already.

I disagree. That would certainly have been ideal, but the right action still sends a strong message even if it comes a little late.

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[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Ped

It's clear to me that the NHL and everyone involved is just trying to weather the storm, realizing that people will move on to something else, some other news. Because that's how it works.

It's all about protecting the brand - has been from the beginning. People are saying they covered it up to "protect a video coach", and that is completely missing the reality of the situation. They covered it up because they didn't want to have to deal with the story. They allowed Aldritch to resign and be part of the cup celebrations because if they didn't, people would ask why. And now they've done their best to try to keep ownership out of it because they can't be divorced from the Blackhawks' brand.

Which is why the people with the capacity to do so need to take a cue from Aldo Raine and give them a mark they can't take off so that this isn't just forgotten about in six months.

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Well I don't think Burke or anyone else from the selection committee will do that, the old boys club mentality is too far entrenched for someone with actual power to take a stand like that

Could be true for a bunch of them. That said, I've never gotten the impression that Burke gives a crap about what anyone thinks of him, including the old boys' club, and he'd certainly get plenty of support outside of Chicago for it.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I disagree. That would certainly have been ideal, but the right action still sends a strong message even if it comes a little late.

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Respectfully disagree. By waiting, they're sending the message that they waited to see what the reaction was before deciding to do the firings, so they''re basing it not on what they actually did, but on what they think people want.



Entirely imo of course.

[Toonage]

I fully expect a resignation from Quenneville today and from Cheveldayoff on Monday.

[Canada 02]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453732615358345239

[SuperMatt18]

Rick Westhead is ruthless in the best way.

Also this whole thing has really made me appreciate the way the Flames handled the Peters situation.

They didn't give him a platform to deny the accusations or say he had never heard of it (Coach Q).

They didn't allow him to remain behind the bench as he was held out of any games in the interim.

There was no talk about how Peters was a good guy who just made a mistake.

And they did their own investigation and fired Peters before the NHL could even step in or do their own thing.

Compare that to how Chicago, Florida, and Winnipeg are handling this and it really does make me appreciate the Flames leadership team a little more again this morning.

[GioforPM]

https://www.tsn.ca/after-jail-for-se...ness-1.1669656

[Derek Sutton]

Well I'm probably about to get lit up for this, but there's some background to this that certainly had to have been taken into account at the time.

All the posters just hammering on every player on the team is non sense. Most of these players were just still kids themsleves. 10 or more years ago, how often as a teenager or new employee did you remained silent when something happened that shouldn't've , maybe it wasn't considered a big deal, or you were too scared to say anything, or unable stop anything. How many times have one of you stood by as somebody was bullied, or worse assaulted, too shy, too afraid, not knowing what to do, who to turn to or what should be done? Elliot Freidman is speaking about this right now on the Jeff Marek show.

It is also very believable that the players could not see how this was an assault. Beach was 6'3" 220 while the creep was just 5'8" 150. "How can someone that much smaller then you assault you?" Wouldn't this be the first question you'd ask yourself? I also believe, based on Kyle Beach's junior past, all involved had reason to doubt Beach's story. He joined the Blackhawks with a reputation for poor on ice and off ice behavior, he fell to where he did in the draft for reasons. The Kyle Beach stories arrived in Chicago long before Kyle Beach arrived in Chicago, Kyle Beach was "hockey culture". I have to think being known as a trouble maker would've casted the most doubt in the players minds as to what really happened.

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/t...82368330251457

As for the coaching staff and management, certainly this was blown off hoping it would either go away or Beach's story was a lie. Sweeping "stuff under the rug" happened all the time at all levels of hockey, and surely this is how the organization was trying to handle this.



Crap I'm just all over the place in this post, there were several reasons to doubt an assault took place, however the fact that there was a total cover up is a disgrace, the fact that the creep was still around the team in the days following was a disgrace and individuals writing letters of recommendation for this creep is total bull****.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Rick Westhead is ruthless in the best way.

Also this whole thing has really made me appreciate the way the Flames handled the Peters situation.

They didn't give him a platform to deny the accusations or say he had never heard of it (Coach Q).

They didn't allow him to remain behind the bench as he was held out of any games in the interim.

There was no talk about how Peters was a good guy who just made a mistake.

And they did their own investigation and fired Peters before the NHL could even step in or do their own thing.

Compare that to how Chicago, Florida, and Winnipeg are handling this and it really does make me appreciate the Flames leadership team a little more again this morning.

And the story (from a Flames perspective) went away pretty quickly after that, vs the NHL dragging it's feet and doing nothing for Aliu. It turns out if you do the right thing and act immediately, it's not a big deal PR wise. By sitting on their hands and hoping people forget, Winnipeg, Florida, and the NHL are just making the story worse. Just proves that the league is run by out-of-touch dinosaurs stuck in the 80's

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Well I'm probably about to get lit up for this, but there's some background to this that certainly had to have been taken into account at the time.

All the posters just hammering on every player on the team is non sense. Most of these players were just still kids themsleves. 10 or more years ago, how often as a teenager or new employee did you remained silent when something happened that shouldn't've , maybe it wasn't considered a big deal, or you were too scared to say anything, or unable stop anything. How many times have one of you stood by as somebody was bullied, or worse assaulted, too shy, too afraid, not knowing what to do, who to turn to or what should be done? Elliot Freidman is speaking about this right now on the Jeff Marek show.

It is also very believable that the players could not see how this was an assault. Beach was 6'3" 220 while the creep was just 5'8" 150. "How can someone that much smaller then you assault you?" Wouldn't this be the first question you'd ask yourself? I also believe, based on Kyle Beach's junior past, all involved had reason to doubt Beach's story. He joined the Blackhawks with a reputation for poor on ice and off ice behavior, he fell to where he did in the draft for reasons. The Kyle Beach stories arrived in Chicago long before Kyle Beach arrived in Chicago, Kyle Beach was "hockey culture". I have to think being known as a trouble maker would've casted the most doubt in the players minds as to what really happened.

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/t...82368330251457

As for the coaching staff and management, certainly this was blown off hoping it would either go away or Beach's story was a lie. Sweeping "stuff under the rug" happened all the time at all levels of hockey, and surely this is how the organization was trying to handle this.



Crap I'm just all over the place in this post, there were several reasons to doubt an assault took place, however the fact that there was a total cover up is a disgrace, the fact that the creep was still around the team in the days following was a disgrace and individuals writing letters of recommendation for this creep is total bull****.

But it's not just that the players allegedly knew at the time. It's that now, when everything is out, when they have a chance to finally do the right thing, and they dig their heels in.


Jonathan Toews talking about what great people Bowman and MacIsaac were and how he likes and respects them. It's absolutely disgusting and a slap in the face to Kyle Beach.

[GioforPM]

^^^ Lots of people can fail to react perfectly in the moment. But guys like Toews, Kane, Keith, etc are failing to own up to it. Just say "I didn't react properly" or "We failed him". That's at least honest and regretful.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

It is also very believable that the players could not see how this was an assault. Beach was 6'3" 220 while the creep was just 5'8" 150. "How can someone that much smaller then you assault you?" Wouldn't this be the first question you'd ask yourself?

... No.

No, I can say with some certainty that that would not be the first question I would ask in this circumstance.

[Monahammer]

Jonathan Toews is a piece of ####.

[metroneck]

Not sure what makes my blood boil about this more... The assault, the way Kyle's Team treated him initially, or how members of the original leadership group are responding now.

I trully believe people deserve the chance to atone for their mistakes

Quenneville? You really are not a good human being.

Toews? You were, and are, the leader in that room. Man up and be accountable.

Keith and the Oilers Broadcast Apparatus? Not only was that stunt completely unnecessary and self serving, the 'Had Keith known' narrative at this point, is probably the most disgusting thing of all.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think it's less a "corporate overlord" issue as opposed to a hockey culture issue. No one wanted to be the first to throw a Q or Bowman etc under the bus. Plus guys like Friedman are told things in confidence and can't blow it without risking access.

Perhaps.

But the story has been verified for a long time now.

Friedman as the defacto 'NHL insider' has been strangely quiet for the entire time.

He sucks. Just like the rest of the losers on the panel.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

^^^ Lots of people can fail to react perfectly in the moment. But guys like Toews, Kane, Keith, etc are failing to own up to it. Just say "I didn't react properly" or "We failed him". That's at least honest and regretful.

This x 1000.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Azure

Perhaps.

But the story has been verified for a long time now.

Friedman as the defacto 'NHL insider' has been strangely quiet for the entire time.

He sucks. Just like the rest of the losers on the panel.

Oh, sure. I just don't know that it's all a result of a directive as opposed to a mind set.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Well I'm probably about to get lit up for this, but there's some background to this that certainly had to have been taken into account at the time.

All the posters just hammering on every player on the team is non sense. Most of these players were just still kids themsleves. 10 or more years ago, how often as a teenager or new employee did you remained silent when something happened that shouldn't've , maybe it wasn't considered a big deal, or you were too scared to say anything, or unable stop anything. How many times have one of you stood by as somebody was bullied, or worse assaulted, too shy, too afraid, not knowing what to do, who to turn to or what should be done? Elliot Freidman is speaking about this right now on the Jeff Marek show.

It is also very believable that the players could not see how this was an assault. Beach was 6'3" 220 while the creep was just 5'8" 150. "How can someone that much smaller then you assault you?" Wouldn't this be the first question you'd ask yourself? I also believe, based on Kyle Beach's junior past, all involved had reason to doubt Beach's story. He joined the Blackhawks with a reputation for poor on ice and off ice behavior, he fell to where he did in the draft for reasons. The Kyle Beach stories arrived in Chicago long before Kyle Beach arrived in Chicago, Kyle Beach was "hockey culture". I have to think being known as a trouble maker would've casted the most doubt in the players minds as to what really happened.

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/t...82368330251457

As for the coaching staff and management, certainly this was blown off hoping it would either go away or Beach's story was a lie. Sweeping "stuff under the rug" happened all the time at all levels of hockey, and surely this is how the organization was trying to handle this.



Crap I'm just all over the place in this post, there were several reasons to doubt an assault took place, however the fact that there was a total cover up is a disgrace, the fact that the creep was still around the team in the days following was a disgrace and individuals writing letters of recommendation for this creep is total bull****.

All anyone is asking for is the players to step up and say 'hey we screwed up, and we'll reach out to Kyle to let him know. We need to do better and we will.'

That is all. Literally. Nobody is going to ask more of them.

But the way they are doubling down.....good lord.