2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by saillias

Kristen Anderson tweeted the article saying "read why Eichel may not be a good fit" and I just expected a smarter argument from the local paper than the Flames are on a 3 game winning streak.

I think they're trying to find a positive spin that will lessen the blow of the org NOT getting Eichel.

I get what you're saying tho...

[bax]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I think they're trying to find a positive spin that will lessen the blow of the org NOT getting Eichel.

I get what you're saying tho...

That should help keep the pitchforks at bay.

We didn’t make the move for Eichel because we won three games in a row!

[Roof-Daddy]

A. Eichel may not be a good move to make because he's injured and can't play for months
B. Eichel may not be a good move to make because he may not heal properly ever
C. Eichel may not be a good move to make because he will cost a lot to acquire and then A and/or B on top of it

I get that, it's not risk free.

But Eichel may not be a good move because we won a few games to start this season? Yeah, no.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by bax

That should help keep the pitchforks at bay.

We didn’t make the move for Eichel because we won three games in a row!

LOL I know man I get how ridiculous it sounds. I just think you guys are all making waaaay too much a big deal about articles from friggin Wes Gilbertson and Kristen Anderson.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would definitely go unprotected on the pick this year if that is what is needed to close the deal.

Monahan+Valimaki+Zary+1st+2nd is my ideal realistic trade

If we have to swap Valimaki for Dube then I would really want to swap Zary for Pelletier but it would not be a deal breaker for me

I hope Tre’s negotiations go something like this:

Initial offer would be:
Monahan
Zary
Valimaki
2022 1st (Protected)
2022 2nd

If they say no, make the 2022 1st unconditional.
If they still say no to Valimaki as the final piece, offer Pelletier instead of Valimaki.
If they say no to Pelletier, then and only then offer Dube instead. Third and final change we’re willing to make, final offer.

As for the media… I wouldn’t put much thought into what they are saying. Most of them, especially Anderson always seem fine with status quo. Any time a potential coaching change or big trade is talked about, they always seem resistant to it

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Why Eichel may not be a good fit:

I've got 10 million reasons and a streak ain't one.

Monahan: $6.35M
Dube: $2.3M

= $8.65M

Eichel: $10M

The Flames have approximately $1M in real cap space right now. More than enough to bank the extra 350K for when Eichel comes off LTIR in 2-4 months.

The cap shouldn't be the reason this doesn't get done.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by soreshins

Just in case you needed a laugh today……this is copied from HF Leafs trade thread

I think Calgary makes the most sense for a Marner blockbuster. Remember we made that huge Phaneuf trade with them on January 31st, 2010... That could be the time both teams decide to make a huge shakeup if things are not going their way.

:leafs
LW Matthew Tkachuk
LD Noah Hanifin
LD/RD Nikita Zadorov
LW Andrew Mangiapane

:flames
RW Mitchell Marner
LD Morgan Rielly
LD/RD Travis Dermott
LW Pierre Engvall

And even the value with picks. Leafs will want an extension done with Tkachuk, and Calgary one with Rielly.

For this year, Calgary is taking on 528k in cap. Next year, Calgary has 29 mill in cap space. Add in Marner/Dermott and take out Hanifin, and that goes down to 21.5 mill.

They need to sign Engvall instead of Mangiapane up front but they need to sign/replace Gaudreau and Rielly's extension will be fairly expensive as well. This will be what their lineup would look like with around 4 mill in cap space to fill the ???'s and add depth:

:flames
Coleman-Lindholm-Marner
Gaudreau (UFA)-Backlund-Dube
Pelletier-Monahan-???
Lucic-???-Engvall (RFA)

Rielly (UFA)-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev
Kylington (RFA)-Dermott

Markstrom-Vladar

For the rest of this year, this is what the Leafs would look like:
:leafs
Tkachuk-Matthews-Mangiapane
Bunting-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase (bottom 6 shutdown)
Ritchie-Kerfoot-Spezza (bottom 6 offense)
Simmonds

Hanifin-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Zadorov
Liljegren

Mrazek-Campbell

PP1
Tkachuk
Nylander-Tavares-Matthews
Hanifin

PP2
Ritchie
Mangiapane-Bunting-Spezza
Sandin

PK Forwards
Kase, Nylander, Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Kampf, and maybe Mangiapane

PK Defensemen
Brodie, Hanifin, Muzzin, Holl, and Zadorov.

Now for next year, we would have Mikheyev, Zadorov, Spezza, and Campbell as our UFA's. Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Sandin, Liljegren, and Kase as our RFA's. I would estimate we would have 17.7 mill in cap space.

Let's say we give Tkachuk an 11% contract, which is right in line where he should be based on previous comparables. Since we are not accounting for cap increases here, that would mean he gets 9 mill on an 8 year deal. For guys who signed as 24/25 year old forwards after bridges, that would put him only behind Giroux, Kessel, and Voracek in terms of cap percentage, and ahead of O'Reilly, Tarasenko, Johansen, and Kuznetsov in terms of similar percentage.

For Mangipane, I think you can just use Conor Garland. Same age (although Garland signed at 25 instead of 26 like Mangipane would), Garland had 47 goals and 96 points in 164 games at the time; Mangiapane, at the same age, had 44 goals and 77 points in 178 games. Both smaller guys with somewhat similar playing styles too I would say. Garland received just north of 6% (4.95 AAV) over 5 years. Let's just say Mangiapane gets 4.9x5 (6% exactly).

Campbell likely comes in at 4 mill on the dot over 3 or 4 years. He'll be 30, and short of him being an absolute stud, guys at that age with limited starting experience don't get more than 5%.

I gave Sandin 1.5 mill x 2 and Liljegren 900k x 1. That leaves us exactly 100k mill to re-sign/replace Kase or Mikheyev, with zero depth guys... which is obviously impossible without cutting some cap. We are left some choices in that regard, but I think the simplest at this point would be to trade Ritchie and Kase.

Tkachuk - Matthews - Mangiapane
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Kampf - UFA (shutdown bottom 6)
Simmonds - Spezza - Anderson (offensive bottom 6)

Hanifin - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - Holl

Campbell - Mrazek

The Leafs would have 1.95 mill to find that UFA and perhaps add a permanent depth guy, with this being the potential Marlies roster next year:

LW Rodion Amirov – C Michael Amadio (RFA) – RW Josh Ho-Sang (AHL UFA)
LW Nick Robertson – C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev – RW Pavel Gogolev
LW Pontus Holmberg – C Mikhail Abramov – RW Alex Steeves
LW Ryan Chyzowski - C Curtis Douglas – RW ???
LW ??? – C ??? – RW ???

LD Filip Kral - RD Brennan Menell (RFA)
LD Kristians Rubins (RFA) - RD Topi Niemela (unsigned)
LD Mikko Kokkonen (unsigned) - RD Axel Rindell (unsigned)
LD ??? - RD William Villeneuve
RD Joseph Duszak (RFA)/RD Brennan Kapcheck/RD Mac Hollowell (RFA)

Kallgren - Woll (RFA)
Scott (RFA)/Petruzzelli

Conclusion
This is probably a crazy proposal with a very long shot of happening, but if we do go down the blockbuster route, I do think Calgary makes a ton of sense.

Hmm...seems some fanbases assume Calgary will just throw Mangiapane into trades as an extra. He had 18 points and 32 points in 58 games last year, with less than ideal ice time. He's now started the season with 5 goals in 5 games. The Flames should be looking to hold onto Magiapane at all costs. If he is the major demand in an Eichel deal, then he's one of the major pieces going Buffalo's way.

[topfiverecords]

I’m sure due to winning streak the ask from Buffalo has shifted to:

Lindholm
Mangiapane
Kylington
Markstrom
Gudbrandson
Sutter
1st

[Toonage]

Hold on.

That 1st is lottery protected, right?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by blankall

Hmm...seems some fanbases assume Calgary will just throw Mangiapane into trades as an extra. He had 18 points and 32 points in 58 games last year, with less than ideal ice time. He's now started the season with 5 goals in 5 games. The Flames should be looking to hold onto Magiapane at all costs. If he is the major demand in an Eichel deal, then he's one of the major pieces going Buffalo's way.

At this point, if Mangiapane is going back, he's the centrepiece. They don't get Coronato or Zary or Valimaki.

Monahan
Mangiapane
1st
2nd
B/C prospect

[Harry Lime]

I hate to consider any shake-up, considering the success of the past few games, but.... Tkachuk seeming checked out is starting to concern me, like he is looking forward to walking to UFA, and there is no reason to skate as hard with next years contract CBA mandated.

A part of me wants Tre to pick up every disgruntled player in the league that has asked for a trade.

Monahan/Valimaki/Zary/(protected) first for Eichel
Pelletier for Kravtsov
Tkachuk/Zadorov (retained) for Tarasenko/Perunovich/(protected) first

[the_only_turek_fan]

We are off to a 4-1-1 start.

I don't want to make any trades.

[Gaskal]

I'm with Harry. Trade for all the angry players!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

We are off to a 4-1-1 start.

I don't want to make any trades.

We’ve beaten one team who made the playoffs last year.

The lack of top end firepower continues to be this team’s most glaring need.

By straight production, Eichel is a bigger Gaudreau who plays centre.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm still on board for trading Tkachuk to STL for Tarasenko plus.

I would have been happy seeing it happen in the off season despite the risk with Tarasenko because maybe the plus would have been bigger. Now it's probably less, but should still be something decent given the high probability of STL being able to lock Matt up long term.

Tarasenko plus Neighbors maybe?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm still on board for trading Tkachuk to STL for Tarasenko plus.

I would have been happy seeing it happen in the off season despite the risk with Tarasenko because maybe the plus would have been bigger. Now it's probably less, but should still be something decent given the high probability of STL being able to lock Matt up long term.

Tarasenko plus Neighbors maybe?

The trade floated by the afternoon show in St. Louis before the season started... Tkachuk for :

Tarasenko
Perunovich (Hobey Baker winner and currently 9 points in 5 games as a D in AHL)
conditional 2022 first

I think that boat has sailed, but if you add Zadorov (the Blues are said to be looking for a defensive LD) and retain whatever salary you need to, to make it work, I think that you can call that boat back to port. Tarasenko is playing great hockey right now, but the rift with management was health and safety related, and that isn't getting fixed.

[Backstop]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I hate to consider any shake-up, considering the success of the past few games, but.... Tkachuk seeming checked out is starting to concern me, like he is looking forward to walking to UFA, and there is no reason to skate as hard with next years contract CBA mandated.

A part of me wants Tre to pick up every disgruntled player in the league that has asked for a trade.

Monahan/Valimaki/Zary/(protected) first for Eichel
Pelletier for Kravtsov
Tkachuk/Zadorov (retained) for Tarasenko/Perunovich/(protected) first

His goal in Jersey stuck with me, there was no pointing from Tkachuk (usually always pointing at who sent him the pass) and in the celebration scrum he turned away from the other players as they closed in for the old victory embrace. Entire thing just struck me as odd.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Backstop

His goal in Jersey stuck with me, there was no pointing from Tkachuk (usually always pointing at who sent him the pass) and in the celebration scrum he turned away from the other players as they closed in for the old victory embrace. Entire thing just struck me as odd.

I may be wrong but it seems to me that all of the Flames are playing down goals. The old "act like you've scored before". Wondering if that's a Sutter thing.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Backstop

His goal in Jersey stuck with me, there was no pointing from Tkachuk (usually always pointing at who sent him the pass) and in the celebration scrum he turned away from the other players as they closed in for the old victory embrace. Entire thing just struck me as odd.

Probably because it made it 5-1 in the 3rd and he didn’t want to come off as rubbing salt in the wound.

[Backstop]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I may be wrong but it seems to me that all of the Flames are playing down goals. The old "act like you've scored before". Wondering if that's a Sutter thing.

The casual goal thing is definitely noticeable with some of the Flames as its the antithesis of the "monster truck, git' down" celebration after goals up North. I think Don Cherry used to go on about big goal celebrations on HNiC as well.