Came here looking for it, but has anyone seen the Reddit questioning whether the 3rd NJD goal actually crossed the line? I haven't seen a replay that definitively shows it actually going in.
I just watched it and from the angles shown on TV I don't actually know if that went in. I'm assuming it did and we just didn't have a good angle, but it certainly doesn't look like it on TV.
Wonder if Ward has seen any of these comments from Sutter this year. He's been pretty specific in his passive aggressive suggestions that the team didn't have a system, wasn't deploying players properly, set up young players to fail, didn't know how to play despite working hard.
Ouch!
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Wonder if Ward has seen any of these comments from Sutter this year. He's been pretty specific in his passive aggressive suggestions that the team didn't have a system, wasn't deploying players properly, set up young players to fail, didn't know how to play despite working hard.
Ouch!
I don’t know that I would call Sutter passive aggressive. Those are some pretty direct criticisms.
It's amazing how much room Tkachuk had on his goal. It's been a while since I've seen a team completely abandon the usual pk box.
Their bench must have have been screaming!
It's amazing how much room Tkachuk had on his goal. It's been a while since I've seen a team completely abandon the usual pk box.
Their bench must have have been screaming!
Constantly losing 50-50 battles all game to the Flames will do that to you whenever pucks are along the boards in an effort to finally come out on top in one!
I find it hilarious that people listen to Sutter’s criticisms of previous coaches and now all of a sudden they have an air of correctness about them.
So many (and I mean many…) posters on this very website levied the same criticisms or complaints about the previous coaches over those various times. And every time on this site it was met with the usual rejection and appeal to authority arguments constantly made by long term resident posters. How many times did Jiri or timbit, specifically and for example but also Bingo and others come to the coaches defence time and time again?
And now here you have Sutter trot out the exact same sentiments and it’s met with acceptance.
This is the problem with the appeals to authority. The majority on this board have actually a pretty good read on things and usually issues get debated into the coles’ notes problem that needs fixing. But just because Sutter says it it’s not valid? Eyeroll. And yeah, you (and by you I mean a broad group of posters that supported the “it’s not the coaches it’s the players” rhetoric) all deserve to be called out, mainly because of how dismissive you are to people generally speaking.
Obviously. Obviously coaching was a huge issue previously. Lucic himself said it last night too essentially.
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I find it hilarious that people listen to Sutter’s criticisms of previous coaches and now all of a sudden they have an air of correctness about them.
So many (and I mean many…) posters on this very website levied the same criticisms or complaints about the previous coaches over those various times. And every time on this site it was met with the usual rejection and appeal to authority arguments constantly made by long term resident posters. How many times did Jiri or timbit, specifically and for example but also Bingo and others come to the coaches defence time and time again?
This stuff gets stated and often inaccurately.
Both Bingo and I were not fond of the Geoff Ward retention. And I said repeatedly that he should be fired. So why am I labeled as someone who came to the coaches defence time and time again?
And if I did. Who cares? Why is it so offensive to you that someone has a different opinion. Get over yourself.
What I have said is that I felt more of the accountability should rest with the players. And I still feel that way. But Sutter's impact so far has been surprising to me and I would like nothing more to be wrong, and he be the key ingredient in this team being a contender. Ultimately I don't care about being right - I care about this team winning.
But you describing me as someone who came to the coaches defense "time and time again" is lazy and inaccurate. And again- who cares if I did. People can have a different view and that should be OK.
Who I have defended is the GM. That should be Ok too.
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Why is it so offensive to you that someone has a different opinion. Get over yourself.
Personally, I don't have any issue with people who have a different opinion.
But there is a certain elitist faction on this board, who is certainly quick to deride and mock the opinions of
- younger posters like Scorp, especially when optimistic about x or y prospect
- pro-underlying stat posters
- anyone with an opinion that doesn't fall in line with the basic appeal to authority
While timbit is certainly a respectable poster, he unfortunately is an example of falling into this "mocking anyone who questions Geoff Ward or the Flames' (mis)handing of Kylington or Bennett"
It gets pretty grating to sign on here and be mocked for having an opinion that doesn't lineup with these types of posters. A few posters who are/were particularily obnoxious in this sense were MMF, Flash, and T99. Thankfully two of the three are gone.
So when posters like that - the ones who mock others for having an opinion at all - are shown to be wrong, I do enjoy their wrongness.
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I find it hilarious that people listen to Sutter’s criticisms of previous coaches and now all of a sudden they have an air of correctness about them.
So many (and I mean many…) posters on this very website levied the same criticisms or complaints about the previous coaches over those various times. And every time on this site it was met with the usual rejection and appeal to authority arguments constantly made by long term resident posters. How many times did Jiri or timbit, specifically and for example but also Bingo and others come to the coaches defence time and time again?
And now here you have Sutter trot out the exact same sentiments and it’s met with acceptance.
This is the problem with the appeals to authority. The majority on this board have actually a pretty good read on things and usually issues get debated into the coles’ notes problem that needs fixing. But just because Sutter says it it’s not valid? Eyeroll. And yeah, you (and by you I mean a broad group of posters that supported the “it’s not the coaches it’s the players” rhetoric) all deserve to be called out, mainly because of how dismissive you are to people generally speaking.
Obviously. Obviously coaching was a huge issue previously. Lucic himself said it last night too essentially.
From what I've gathered, none of the previous coaches under Treliving's tenure have worked intensively with the players on an individual level. From what I've seen, for the most part they've used a blanket system approach for a team full of very different players that bring different aspects to the team and left the skill guys to their own devices and to self-motivate, rather than working a more catered approach that brings the best out of said skill players, outside of the dreaded Gaudreau drop passes. The current system has better success principles while Sutter is working with guys individually to bring up the details of their games and increase the speed at which they play. As Darryl put it, some of these guys have never been shown to do things the right way in his mind, so that just tells you so much about the way the previous coaches went about things. Probably didn't ruffle too many feathers in the room, and preached the same message to the whole group ad nauseum which would always eventually fall upon deaf ears, while Sutter develops relationships with each and every one of his guys and learns what each responds best to. You see that in the segments around the Kings' winning teams. The other top coaches in the league probably operate in a similar way.
We were really just wasting/biding our time before Sutter entered the fold here. The other guys were playing house behind the bench. Peters and Hartley were slightly better motivators than the rest due to their tough love approach, but still couldn't adjust to opposing coaches effectively when faced with adversity.
We're blessed to have this man step back into the fold for us.
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