[Rumour] Seravalli: Eichel resolution expected in coming days; VGK and Buffalo talks very active

[Infinit47]

Perhaps with how the Flames and Vegas are playing, plus Vegas injuries, the Sabres think the Vegas pick will be higher. Can't do much if they prefer Vegas' pick if the deals are otherwise similar.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fan69

You know this how? So basically whatever it cost get him, gut the team, become Edmonton south where we don’t have the players to plug spots and burn up cap acquiring them?

This Eichel at all costs is concerning? If Eichel is a top five without surgery maybe, but he isn’t, he IS having surgery and you will lose almost a full year and he probably ranks 5 to 10 not one to five.

The cost some are proposing would get into the top three if this draft and you would have the player from start to finish with cost control.
Again some of you are proposing the difference between Sean and Eichel is another star winger, two firsts and Monaghan???

No damn thanks.

Interested to hear your take on the type of offers that put the Flames near the bottom of the standings. Is losing Monahan, Dube and Valimaki going to ruin this team?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Perhaps with how the Flames and Vegas are playing, plus Vegas injuries, the Sabres think the Vegas pick will be higher. Can't do much if they prefer Vegas' pick if the deals are otherwise similar.

I don’t think Sabres are looking at beginning of the year small sample sizes and thinking that is how it will keep going. If that is the case they should shift their focus to win now pieces since they have the same record as the Flames

[Brodie66]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

The way Sutter has the team playing right now will definitely soften the blow of not getting Eichel

I think that makes it worse. If the Flames were looking like a lottery team then I'd probably be more cautious about trading futures to get him. But now is looking like he could be the final piece of the puzzle.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is losing Monahan, Dube and Valimaki going to ruin this team?

Could very well do just that. Depth is what makes this current lineup tick. Remove three players from it and what do you have? Remove three players from any lineup and it is going to be a huge negative. What would really ruin the team is removing those three players, then not having the player acquired in a deal ready to play this year. That would not be good and could cause a fall down the standings, which would be doubly bad if we package our first in the deal for the injured player. So could it ruin the team? For the short term, yes. Long term? That will depend on the success of the surgery and whether Eichel will come back as billed.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Interested to hear your take on the type of offers that put the Flames near the bottom of the standings. Is losing Monahan, Dube and Valimaki going to ruin this team?

Immediately.

[Strange Brew]

Man I sure would be careful about making long term projections based on half a dozen games. Flames are playing great and Vegas playing poorly. We're not even 10% into the season though.

Sabres have the same record as Calgary, are they suddenly a contender?

My hope is that whatever the plan was with regards to Eichel for the Flames, it hasn't changed based on six games. It has to be a long term decision and if sacrificing depth for this year gets it done, that is a complete no brainer as far as I'm concerned. The Sabres are looking for more than depth though.

[Redliner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Interested to hear your take on the type of offers that put the Flames near the bottom of the standings. Is losing Monahan, Dube and Valimaki going to ruin this team?

I don't think a deal gets done using Monahan and Dube. If this were the case then I'm sure Tre would have pulled the trigger long ago. I think Buffalo's ask probably starts with Hanifin and Mangiapane, plus multiple picks - and that's a deal you walk away from every time.

Yes, Eichel is the new shiny toy right now but at the end of the day he's a $10M player with a broken neck and you're going to have to partially gut your team to get him. Not sure that makes sense to me.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Redliner

I don't think a deal gets done using Monahan and Dube. If this were the case then I'm sure Tre would have pulled the trigger long ago. I think Buffalo's ask probably starts with Hanifin and Mangiapane, plus multiple picks - and that's a deal you walk away from every time.

Yes, Eichel is the new shiny toy right now but at the end of the day he's a $10M player with a broken neck and you're going to have to partially gut your team to get him. Not sure that makes sense to me.

110% this, everyone wants the Flames to make a splash but a deal like that would set the team back longer than the length of Eichels contract

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Interested to hear your take on the type of offers that put the Flames near the bottom of the standings. Is losing Monahan, Dube and Valimaki going to ruin this team?

Yes. Like I said the difference between Sean and a Eichel is not three or four more firsts. Depth wins championships not the most elite Center or Edmonton would have won the last five cups.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Interested to hear your take on the type of offers that put the Flames near the bottom of the standings. Is losing Monahan, Dube and Valimaki going to ruin this team?

Kylington is doing what Valimaki was supposed to do. I love the depth on this team but all three of those guys can be replaced by guys already in the lineup. The biggest hole would be from Dube and that's only until Eichel gets back. Dube and Mangiapane have chemistry, but realistically the two are probably getting separated anyways as Mangiapane is earning a bigger spot in the lineup.

[stemit14]

I still hope we get eichel if he can be had for a bargain. Everyone loves to say how rare it is to be able to trade for young, top centres in this league. Part of the reason is the cost would be too high. As others have stated, if you gut your team of valuable roster players, prospects and picks to acquire a single player who could be out for the whole season, you’re taking a huge gamble. Eichel only makes sense if the cost to acquire him is diminished due to his serious injury concerns, his surgery that will keep him out of the line up, the fact that he has publicly stated he wants out of Buffalo, and the fact that it will have been at least 1.5 years without him playing a single nhl game.

My hope is that the deal is virtually all futures/prospects. The flames can then trade tkachuk in the offseason to replenish some of those assets. It gives this team a great opportunity this year if eichel comes in healthy close to playoffs (pull a kucherov). If it’s looking like he is going to be ready early (before cap relief from playoffs or injuries to roster players), they could then trade players like Monahan and Zadorov to contenders to make room for eichel. There seems to always be a market for centres and defensemen at the trade deadline so I think the flames would be able to still get value for them then.


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[TheGrimm]

The more I think about it, the more I feel like the only move that might work for the Flames without butchering this seasons outcome or future seasons is to try to trade Tkatchuk for Eichel.

He is a pretty significant issue for the Flames as he will either take his QO and walk himself to Free Agency or want 10+ per season in a long term deal. At that point we'd probably be wishing we'd turned him into Eichel when we had the chance.

My attempt would be:

Tkatchuk and 2 2nds for Eichel.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Redliner

I don't think a deal gets done using Monahan and Dube. If this were the case then I'm sure Tre would have pulled the trigger long ago. I think Buffalo's ask probably starts with Hanifin and Mangiapane, plus multiple picks - and that's a deal you walk away from every time.

Yes, Eichel is the new shiny toy right now but at the end of the day he's a $10M player with a broken neck and you're going to have to partially gut your team to get him. Not sure that makes sense to me.

I don’t see how Buffalo shifts their ask from futures to Hanifin, Mangiapane as centerpieces?

I agree that is not a deal you make but if you need to give up multiple picks and prospects then it makes a ton of sense for me

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Yes. Like I said the difference between Sean and a Eichel is not three or four more firsts. Depth wins championships not the most elite Center or Edmonton would have won the last five cups.

Depth doesn’t win championships without high end talent leading the way.

I think the difference between Monahan and Eichel is 3 high end futures for sure

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

The more I think about it, the more I feel like the only move that might work for the Flames without butchering this seasons outcome or future seasons is to try to trade Tkatchuk for Eichel.

He is a pretty significant issue for the Flames as he will either take his QO and walk himself to Free Agency or want 10+ per season in a long term deal. At that point we'd probably be wishing we'd turned him into Eichel when we had the chance.

My attempt would be:

Tkatchuk and 2 2nds for Eichel.

I don't know what the add would be but Tkachuk would certainly be more in the Sabres' window - he's only 23. And IMO the Flames can afford to lose him - he's a LW playing out of position and seeming a little lost in doing so, even with his linemates playing really well right now.

I just don't know if the salary and risk he walks to FA is a dealbreaker for their management.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Could very well do just that. Depth is what makes this current lineup tick. Remove three players from it and what do you have? Remove three players from any lineup and it is going to be a huge negative. What would really ruin the team is removing those three players, then not having the player acquired in a deal ready to play this year. That would not be good and could cause a fall down the standings, which would be doubly bad if we package our first in the deal for the injured player. So could it ruin the team? For the short term, yes. Long term? That will depend on the success of the surgery and whether Eichel will come back as billed.

Yeah, you need to be careful with depth. None of Monahan, Valimaki or Dube are playing key roles right now. You could replace them with Gawdin, Zadorov, etc. But then Lindholm and Mangiapane cool off and you need someone to pick up the slack...who is more likely to make a difference Monahan/Dube or Gawdin? And when injuries hit you no longer have Gawdin and Zadorov on the bench, you dig deeper into your shallow depth pool and start playing more AHLers. Are you willing to risk this over 3/4s of the season? it's a risk.

[saillias]

HFBoards now there's a place I haven't heard of in a while. Funny to see it's still full of the best connected teenagers online. Big "my uncle works at nintendo" energy with all these stories of trade almost complete with full list of the proposals.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Yeah, you need to be careful with depth. None of Monahan, Valimaki or Dube are playing key roles right now. You could replace them with Gawdin, Zadorov, etc. But then Lindholm and Mangiapane cool off and you need someone to pick up the slack...who is more likely to make a difference Monahan/Dube or Gawdin? And when injuries hit you no longer have Gawdin and Zadorov on the bench, you dig deeper into your shallow depth pool and start playing more AHLers. Are you willing to risk this over 3/4s of the season? it's a risk.

Monahan, Dube and Valimaki can not be replaced with Gawdin and Zadarov. Gawdin isn't an NHL talent, not really even close.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Monahan, Dube and Valimaki can not be replaced with Gawdin and Zadarov. Gawdin isn't an NHL talent, not really even close.

Sure they can, Monahan is currently on the 4th line.

Flames have two dman in the press box that could play and cover for Valimaki

Dube would be a loss for sure

However the Flames have to think long term, if they want to take the next step they need a #1 center.