[Rumour] Seravalli: Eichel resolution expected in coming days; VGK and Buffalo talks very active

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

This isn’t transaction-related, but a helpful from HF related to artificial disk replacement.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...2852168/page-7

“your comment about being completely paralyzed is just straight out false in relation to extra risk of getting ADR.

I’m getting the exact surgery this winter, I'm not a pro athlete, I'm a brick layer. I had the choice between a fusion or ADR and it was an easy decision to pick ADR. The percentage of 100% recovery is extremely high, while it's a guarantee a fusion will affect my mobility for life.”

This was always the story, no? That ADR was long lasting and leads to a full life, but fusion is the one that athletes have typically done. I think they worry about athletic performance versus normal living. I don’t know the numbers for each.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Some dude on HFboards is claiming to have connections and its basically a done deal. Who knows if its true but this makes me sad if the Flames will continue to do nothing.

But they are clearly not "doing nothing." By all reports the Flames have been right in the thick of this from the beginning. That is a hell of a lot more than nothing.

Be disappointed if they can't make a deal, but not because you think they "continue to do nothing."


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[Harry Lime]

With very few exceptions (Byfield ect) a player that has proven themselves at the NHL level, are still improving, and are under the age of 23 are significantly more valuable than a prospect.

Mangiapane is more valuable than any of the prospects that have been mentioned for Eichel, and Dube is only the smallest of steps behind Krebs in value. There is a very long list of amazing prospects that just can't think at an NHL speed, but look amazing everywhere else.

First round picks (not yet selected) have value because a GM has strong faith in his scouting team. That's human nature. It also is fantastic for marketing purposes.

[dino7c]

He might end up in Vegas but some rando on HF talking out his ass shouldn't be getting anyone too upset

You really think this guy knows its a done deal and it hasn't leaked out anywhere else? Come on now

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This was always the story, no? That ADR was long lasting and leads to a full life, but fusion is the one that athletes have typically done. I think they worry about athletic performance versus normal living. I don’t know the numbers for each.

ADR has never been performed on a hockey player. But that’s because it’s a relatively new procedure.

If the chances of a 100% recovery are high, I don’t see any reason to be too concerned - if guys can get the surgery and go back to laying brick or trade hands in the octagon, I don’t see why they can’t play hockey.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He might end up in Vegas but some rando on HF talking out his ass shouldn't be getting anyone too upset

You really think this guy knows its a done deal and it hasn't leaked out anywhere else? Come on now

Exactly.

Also, the guy listed a return of 6 pieces - 3 picks, and 3 players.

Highly unlikely that it is a 6 for 1.

Just not buying it at all.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m sure if Treliving really wants to win this he can offer Gaudreau, Coronato, an unprotected 1st on both of the next 2 drafts and Wolf. That will surely win and then the “Eichel at all costs” crowd will be satisfied. Right?

No thanks,

Rather keep Coronato ,wolf and the 2 1sts

[Manhattanboy]

Its possible with the nice start to the season that (non) deal fatigue has set in and that fans are moving on.

Friends of mine think the health risk is too high and that we are better off protecting our prospects and picks.

Of course a 4 game winning streak is no reason to change long term strategy but I think I am in the camp that this is one of those times when the best deal is the one you don't make.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2021/1...eading-to.html articles like this make it seem like it's a done deal where Eichel is coming here.

Honestly, this thing could just aa easily swing the other way. The deal's not done, and again, it is just a random HF poster. I know Vegas wants Eichel, but it also doesn't make sense if they're in a win now mode trying to address their injury situation. Why trade Krebs, write off the year, and burn one of your best assets moving forward?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I think I am in the camp that this is one of those times when the best deal is the one you don't make.

Treliving has been going to this camp for more than 3 years now

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I think I am in the camp that this is one of those times when the best deal is the one you don't make.

Whoa whoa whoa, Manhattanboy. The part of the story I don't like is that the little GM gave up looking for that elite #1 centre after an hour of trade negotiations. He didn't put futures up or anything, he just sat on the porch like a goon and waited. That little GMs gotta think 'You got a job. You got a responsibility.' If your team is lost in the land of mediocrity for 30 years you don't look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you acquire that f***ing centre!

[nixon45]

Come on people we already know how this will unfold. Eichel is not coming to Calgary and people should relax and just settle back into the void of sadness and mediocrity that is the Calgary Flames.

Are people seriously not used to how this #### heap of a team operates by now? You get nothing in return from your investment into this team. Nothing but disappointment.

It's the Calgary Flames and Brad Treliving. That alone should tell you exactly how this will play out.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Whoa whoa whoa, Manhattanboy. The part of the story I don't like is that the little GM gave up looking for that elite #1 centre after an hour of trade negotiations. He didn't put futures up or anything, he just sat on the porch like a goon and waited. That little GMs gotta think 'You got a job. You got a responsibility.' If your team is lost in the land of mediocrity for 30 years you don't look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you acquire that f***ing centre!

You know this how? So basically whatever it cost get him, gut the team, become Edmonton south where we don’t have the players to plug spots and burn up cap acquiring them?

This Eichel at all costs is concerning? If Eichel is a top five without surgery maybe, but he isn’t, he IS having surgery and you will lose almost a full year and he probably ranks 5 to 10 not one to five.

The cost some are proposing would get into the top three if this draft and you would have the player from start to finish with cost control.
Again some of you are proposing the difference between Sean and Eichel is another star winger, two firsts and Monaghan???

No damn thanks.

[Saqe]

I've never been that high on Eichel anyway so I don't care that much if Vegas gets him. Plus they would have to gut the current team to get him and the net positive effect would probably happen next year, this year would be down the drain.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

It is absolutely relevant.

We finished first place in the West. You pull the trigger on making your team as good as possible to compete in the playoffs, or you aren't doing your job as GM.

Treliving needs to go.

You don't mortgage the team's future for a rental. Pretty obvious why he didn't make that deal... and why Vegas was the only team that did. Stone agreed to sign long term there.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Fan69

You know this how? So basically whatever it cost get him, gut the team, become Edmonton south where we don’t have the players to plug spots and burn up cap acquiring them?

This Eichel at all costs is concerning? If Eichel is a top five without surgery maybe, but he isn’t, he IS having surgery and you will lose almost a full year and he probably ranks 5 to 10 not one to five.

The cost some are proposing would get into the top three if this draft and you would have the player from start to finish with cost control.
Again some of you are proposing the difference between Sean and Eichel is another star winger, two firsts and Monaghan???

No damn thanks.

You missed the joke.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Fan69

You know this how? So basically whatever it cost get him, gut the team, become Edmonton south where we don’t have the players to plug spots and burn up cap acquiring them?

This Eichel at all costs is concerning? If Eichel is a top five without surgery maybe, but he isn’t, he IS having surgery and you will lose almost a full year and he probably ranks 5 to 10 not one to five.

The cost some are proposing would get into the top three if this draft and you would have the player from start to finish with cost control.
Again some of you are proposing the difference between Sean and Eichel is another star winger, two firsts and Monaghan???

No damn thanks.

A very good argument can be put together that Jack Eichel is not even in the top 10 players in the league.

[Huntingwhale]

The way Sutter has the team playing right now will definitely soften the blow of not getting Eichel (if this trade goes down). Sucks for sure it's not us, but with how the Flames are right now you don't want to mess with the chemistry. Heck we have a chance to finally get the Knights' monkey off our back and start beating them with regularity. I can definitely get on board with that, with or without Eichel.

Maybe BT pulls a miracle out of his sleeve, but I think it's fair to say the torment will be over for Flames' fans soon enough regarding this entire ordeal. Luckily we have what appears to be a solid team to cheer for this season, so I refuse to let myself feel an ounce of regret over this trade not working out for us.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by nixon45

Come on people we already know how this will unfold. Eichel is not coming to Calgary and people should relax and just settle back into the void of sadness and mediocrity that is the Calgary Flames.

Are people seriously not used to how this #### heap of a team operates by now? You get nothing in return from your investment into this team. Nothing but disappointment.

It's the Calgary Flames and Brad Treliving. That alone should tell you exactly how this will play out.

If this is truly how you feel about the organization why are you wasting your time and feeling miserable about them? Pick a different team. Find a new hobby. Being a fan is supposed to be fun.

[Roof-Daddy]

If Jack Eichel comes back from surgery at his usual level he instantly becomes the best player on the Flames.

Unless we already have a lightning fast skating center with a career 0.95 points per game average in his prime that I'm forgetting about??

The only question is does he come back to that level or not. If he does, he makes the Flames a better team without a doubt.