[News] Stan Bowman resigns after 2010 sexual abuse investigation

[dammage79]

Sounds like all heads are gonna roll who were in that meeting. Bettmans already summoned Quenville.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

The report itself is well done and quite damning of the organization (I do work like this). For those curious about it, the report can be interpreted many different ways but this is on page 68 from the conclusion:



Can't imagine how anyone involved in that meeting escapes unscathed, but it is professional sports and both Winnipeg and Florida have decent teams this year.

How a team is doing shouldn't matter at all

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Why should Quenville be held more responsible than anyone else who knew and said nothing? If JQ should lose his job so should Kane, Toews, etc..

Everyone in that locker room knew what happened.

The decisions to smother this came from much higher up than Quenville.

Well, Q was Aldrich’s direct supervisor.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1453113928523812864

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, Q was Aldrich’s direct supervisor.

Exactly, the players weren't in a position of power...that is like blaming another student if a child is abused at school.

[calumniate]

Chevy, Q and Bergevin have some homework tonight

Unfortunately these things turn into games of 'what do I recall vs what do I not recall'. These guys aren't going to recall ####

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Chevy, Q and Bergevin have some homework tonight

Unfortunately these things turn into games of 'what do I recall vs what do I not recall'. These guys aren't going to recall ####

It worked for Sgt. Schultz.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It worked for Sgt. Schultz.

Jeff Sessions mastered it as well

[FanIn80]

I would think a statement from Toews on behalf of the players should be expected. I mean, it's probably just going to be huge lie about how they didn't know what was going on, etc, but... at least something to publicly condemn this garbage moving forward.

Edit: Also, I think Bettman's statement about meeting with WPG and FLA "soon" was really just a public message to those two teams to get something done BEFORE he has to do it for them.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Exactly, the players weren't in a position of power...that is like blaming another student if a child is abused at school.

Not to defend the players at all, but the taunting of John Doe occurred in the training camp of 2010 which would have been after Aldrich left the team. Black Ace 1 also had taunts made to him sometime in 2010 but it was not clear when. I cannot remember what Boynton alleged but it is possible that the players, or at least most, did not hear of the rumours until Aldrich was gone.

Also I feel like there is a difference between rumours and allegations. The coaching staff and general management was dealing with allegations.

[Purpdust]

Weird coincidence that Akim was on the Chicago AHL team Ice Dogs that same year

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I would think a statement from Toews on behalf of the players should be expected. I mean, it's probably just going to be huge lie about how they didn't know what was going on, etc, but... at least something to publicly condemn this garbage moving forward.

Edit: Also, I think Bettman's statement about meeting with WPG and FLA "soon" was really just a public message to those two teams to get something done BEFORE he has to do it for them.

How do you know that's a lie?
What indications do you have that any player knew something of an assault nature occurred?
It actually seems more likely the players were kept in the dark as the execs in that meeting clearly didn't want distractions on their cup run. They were trying to sweep it under the rug, not notify the players.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

How do you know that's a lie?
What indications do you have that any player knew something of an assault nature occurred?
It actually seems more likely the players were kept in the dark as the execs in that meeting clearly didn't want distractions on their cup run. They were trying to sweep it under the rug, not notify the players.

Sopel said everyone knew.

In an interview with TSN on Tuesday, Sopel, who played 22 games for the Blackhawks during the 2010 playoffs run, said that the Blackhawks locker room was abuzz for days with discussion about Aldrich during the 2010 Western Conference finals, after then-skills coach Paul Vincent asked Blackhawks management during a meeting in San Jose to report Aldrich’s alleged sexual assault of two players that season to police.

“…I’d say pretty much every player said, ‘Holy s--t’ and was shocked by it,” Sopel said. “We were all in the same dressing room. It was something that was discussed for at least two or three days. [Then head coach Joel] Quenneville was in the same office as [Aldrich]. We heard about it.”

Boynton said everyone knew.

“They asked me who knew and I gave them names, basically everybody on the team,” Boynton told TSN in an interview on Wednesday. “I said everybody f---ing knew about it. I said you can talk to the coaches. …I said talk to Torch [former assistant coach John Torchetti]. I called out , and said talk to and talk to Kaner []. …The training staff knew. I’m sick of this wall of silence.”

And the report stated

John Doe recalled that during the training camp, multiple players called John Doe derogatory words and asked if John Doe missed “his boyfriend Brad

In 2010, rumors of an incident between Black Ace 1 and Aldrich started and followed Black Ace 1 for years. Black Ace 1 recalled being asked by a couple of players about whether Aldrich gave Black Ace 1 a “blow job.

Again, I think rumours are a different beast than allegations but rumours were clearly there.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Boynton said everyone knew.

And the report stated




Again, I think rumours are a different beast than allegations but rumours were clearly there.

Thanks, I hadn't seen the Sopel & Boynton stuff.
Was he saying they all knew of assault allegations or that something happened between the player and the video coach?

They may have just been aware of rumours of a sexual encounter and thought it was consensual. That doesn't justify the homophobic bullying, but their punishment and condemnation should be appropriate to what they knew.

I can see now there's a likelihood they knew it wasn't consentual.

[OptimalTates]

Sorry I edit to add Sopel after which is the most damning and he alleges that they knew it was an assault and assumed the authorities were notifed.

Sopel said he assumed for years that Blackhawks management alerted authorities after the 2010 season. He said he was hesitant to speak publicly about the scandal in recent months, fearing the Blackhawks would attack his organization. charity, the Brent Sopel Foundation, which raises funds for children like himself who have struggled with dyslexia

[Locke]

Originally Posted by chummer

Uh, no, that's not how it works.

I wish I believed you.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Locke

I wish I believed you.

Especially since that's literally how it worked here.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not sure how someone can say this is unbelievable. This is totally believable. Did some of you not grow up with any hockey players? The whole culture can be pretty ####ing toxic.

How about just growing up as a male? I think things have gotten better (I hope) but toxic masculinity is still a problem in our society.

[TorqueDog]

^Yeah, kids were pretty sh-tty with the homosexual slurs when I was growing up. There wasn't much worse that someone could do to you beyond the insinuation or accusation of you being gay.

Originally Posted by Purpdust

Weird coincidence that Akim was on the Chicago AHL team Ice Dogs that same year

That's where the whole "Bill Peters being a racist d-bag" incidents happened; on the Ice Hogs.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Cheveldayoff's statement doesn't hold since he asserted heard about it after Aldrich departed the Blackhawks. Aldrich didn't leave until the conclusion of the season.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418291306908971009

Yeah, this should simply be called what it is: a lie. And by "called what it is", I mean by the Jets media and preferably the league itself.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think the organizations themselves will act before Gary meets with anyone.

... Seriously? You really think that's going to happen? The Panthers are at the top of the league and you think they're going to fire their head coach? I suspect they'll come to the same conclusion the Hawks did in 2010: "it took a lot for us to get here, we can't allow this distraction to de-rail our season".

Maybe you think I'm being cynical but I seriously doubt Quenneville gets fired. Chevy either, even though his team isn't doing quite as well they're expected to be pretty good this season and the same "distraction" concept will hold sway, along with the fact that the owner seems to like him.

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The owners should be punished too ffs. Relegate them to the AHL for a 3 year period.

I mean they're basically already an AHL team anyway...

But the league loves them some Blackhawks and in the first year of the ESPN deal? I suspect they'll try to make this go away as quickly as they possibly can.