2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[442scotty]

Eichel WAS a pretty good player before he got hurt but not a Matthews or McDavid. Would I like to have him? Sure. But not for the prices some people on here are willing to pay. I’d keep my bird in hand Mangiapane all day long over who knows what version of Eichel you will end up with for example. Now if you want to trade Tkachuk and a first for him , fine assuming there’s 2 firsts coming back if Eichel is unable to play again or regain his past glory.

[activeStick]

My takes... Calgary's been brought up as the team most involved in these chat from multiple different sources and from at least one source, that they are likely the closest... Vegas coming up now is being floated by Buffalo in hopes that Treliving gives in on their inflight negotiations (perhaps making the 1st unprotected or including Mangiapane instead of Dube?).

[OptimalTates]

2019-2020 Eichel vs 2019-2020 Matthews? Both were on pace for 94 points before the season ended.

Matthews scored more goals, but he also got to play with Marner, Hyman and Nylander (when apart). Plus Tavares on the PP. Eichel was playing with Reinhart, Olofson and Vessey (when apart). Plus Johanson on the PP. It's not exactly surprising that he finished with 28 more points than the second highest point producer on the team.

I don't think it's unfair to say that he was "a Matthews". But neither are McDavid, duh.

[Vinny01]

I would definitely go unprotected on the pick this year if that is what is needed to close the deal.

Monahan+Valimaki+Zary+1st+2nd is my ideal realistic trade

If we have to swap Valimaki for Dube then I would really want to swap Zary for Pelletier but it would not be a deal breaker for me

[activeStick]

Yeah, unless Buffalo is asking for something really outrageous like Gaudreau + Tkachuk +, I'm not sure they'd be asking for anything that I'd be squashing the trade for. I'm a huge fan of Mangiapane as he plays the game right, is good defensively and can score, but even with him, we're talking about Eichel here. I'd rather keep him but if Buffalo is pushing for Mangiapane, you give him up.

[GreenLantern2814]

Eichel’s career 0.95 PPG is better than:

Brayden Point - 0.88
Ryan O’Reilly - 0.72
Sean Monahan - 0.74
Aleksander Barkov - 0.88
John Tavares - 0.94
Elias Lindholm - 0.64
Mika Zibanejad - 0.72
Anze Kopitar - 0.89
Tyler Seguin - 0.85

Players with better PPG:

Nathan MacKinnon - 0.98
Auston Matthews - 1.04
Steven Stamkos - 1.03
Sidney Crosby - 1.28
Connor McDavid - 1.42

Players with the same career PPG:

Johnny Gaudreau - 0.95

[Vinny01]

Mangiapane doesn’t make sense for this current Buffalo team. He needs a big contract and will be 26 when the Sabres are trying to build around a core of players 3-4 years younger.

Dube makes a lot more sense if they want a more proven player. I hope the Flames figure out a way to keep both.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Pitlick
Lucic-Richardson-Lewis

That is a hell of a forward group

[saillias]

A few Flames media people trying to throw cold water on the thing.

https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey...y-in-big-apple

The arguments some in the fanbase make against Eichel I respect because it comes down to the risk of the surgery and likelihood of returning to 100%, and that's a reasonable position. But the stance Wes takes is so silly and short sighted. If Brad decides they don't need Eichel anymore because of a 3 game winning streak it's a wonder he's kept his job so long being that fickle and reacting to emotional highs. Like did you not anticipate to win 3 games in a row at any point?

The other argument he makes is about "asking for a significant roster piece" making the Flames worse right now, but that ask is speculation on their part. We don't know exactly what they're asking for, but it might be too high, so we shouldn't do it. Not a fan of whatever he's doing here. Unless they have a rumor about an ask and then maybe Wes should report what he's hearing?

Another is Ryan Leslie. On his instagram story yesterday he responded to a Q about Eichel saying its unlikely, price too high, and it's too risky. But FWIW he's been cold on Eichel all along going back to the offseason

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Eichel WAS a pretty good player before he got hurt but not a Matthews or McDavid. Would I like to have him? Sure. But not for the prices some people on here are willing to pay. I’d keep my bird in hand Mangiapane all day long over who knows what version of Eichel you will end up with for example. Now if you want to trade Tkachuk and a first for him , fine assuming there’s 2 firsts coming back if Eichel is unable to play again or regain his past glory.

Eichel is easily as good as Matthews.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by saillias

A few Flames media people trying to throw cold water on the thing.

https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey...y-in-big-apple

The arguments some in the fanbase make against Eichel I respect because it comes down to the risk of the surgery and likelihood of returning to 100%, and that's a reasonable position. But the stance Wes takes is so silly and short sighted. If Brad decides they don't need Eichel anymore because of a 3 game winning streak it's a wonder he's kept his job so long being that fickle and reacting to emotional highs. Like did you not anticipate to win 3 games in a row at any point?

The other argument he makes is about "asking for a significant roster piece" making the Flames worse right now, but that ask is speculation on their part. We don't know exactly what they're asking for, but it might be too high, so we shouldn't do it. Not a fan of whatever he's doing here. Unless they have a rumor about an ask and then maybe Wes should report what he's hearing?

Another is Ryan Leslie. On his instagram story yesterday he responded to a Q about Eichel saying its unlikely, price too high, and it's too risky. But FWIW he's been cold on Eichel all along going back to the offseason

I don't see what's so outrageous about it...it's not completely out of line. Not everybody wants to give up that many assets especially given the surgery/high risk. Plus, he's a journalist, he can spin it however he wants really.

[soreshins]

Just in case you needed a laugh today……this is copied from HF Leafs trade thread

I think Calgary makes the most sense for a Marner blockbuster. Remember we made that huge Phaneuf trade with them on January 31st, 2010... That could be the time both teams decide to make a huge shakeup if things are not going their way.

:leafs
LW Matthew Tkachuk
LD Noah Hanifin
LD/RD Nikita Zadorov
LW Andrew Mangiapane

:flames
RW Mitchell Marner
LD Morgan Rielly
LD/RD Travis Dermott
LW Pierre Engvall

And even the value with picks. Leafs will want an extension done with Tkachuk, and Calgary one with Rielly.

For this year, Calgary is taking on 528k in cap. Next year, Calgary has 29 mill in cap space. Add in Marner/Dermott and take out Hanifin, and that goes down to 21.5 mill.

They need to sign Engvall instead of Mangiapane up front but they need to sign/replace Gaudreau and Rielly's extension will be fairly expensive as well. This will be what their lineup would look like with around 4 mill in cap space to fill the ???'s and add depth:

:flames
Coleman-Lindholm-Marner
Gaudreau (UFA)-Backlund-Dube
Pelletier-Monahan-???
Lucic-???-Engvall (RFA)

Rielly (UFA)-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev
Kylington (RFA)-Dermott

Markstrom-Vladar

For the rest of this year, this is what the Leafs would look like:
:leafs
Tkachuk-Matthews-Mangiapane
Bunting-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase (bottom 6 shutdown)
Ritchie-Kerfoot-Spezza (bottom 6 offense)
Simmonds

Hanifin-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Zadorov
Liljegren

Mrazek-Campbell

PP1
Tkachuk
Nylander-Tavares-Matthews
Hanifin

PP2
Ritchie
Mangiapane-Bunting-Spezza
Sandin

PK Forwards
Kase, Nylander, Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Kampf, and maybe Mangiapane

PK Defensemen
Brodie, Hanifin, Muzzin, Holl, and Zadorov.

Now for next year, we would have Mikheyev, Zadorov, Spezza, and Campbell as our UFA's. Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Sandin, Liljegren, and Kase as our RFA's. I would estimate we would have 17.7 mill in cap space.

Let's say we give Tkachuk an 11% contract, which is right in line where he should be based on previous comparables. Since we are not accounting for cap increases here, that would mean he gets 9 mill on an 8 year deal. For guys who signed as 24/25 year old forwards after bridges, that would put him only behind Giroux, Kessel, and Voracek in terms of cap percentage, and ahead of O'Reilly, Tarasenko, Johansen, and Kuznetsov in terms of similar percentage.

For Mangipane, I think you can just use Conor Garland. Same age (although Garland signed at 25 instead of 26 like Mangipane would), Garland had 47 goals and 96 points in 164 games at the time; Mangiapane, at the same age, had 44 goals and 77 points in 178 games. Both smaller guys with somewhat similar playing styles too I would say. Garland received just north of 6% (4.95 AAV) over 5 years. Let's just say Mangiapane gets 4.9x5 (6% exactly).

Campbell likely comes in at 4 mill on the dot over 3 or 4 years. He'll be 30, and short of him being an absolute stud, guys at that age with limited starting experience don't get more than 5%.

I gave Sandin 1.5 mill x 2 and Liljegren 900k x 1. That leaves us exactly 100k mill to re-sign/replace Kase or Mikheyev, with zero depth guys... which is obviously impossible without cutting some cap. We are left some choices in that regard, but I think the simplest at this point would be to trade Ritchie and Kase.

Tkachuk - Matthews - Mangiapane
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Kampf - UFA (shutdown bottom 6)
Simmonds - Spezza - Anderson (offensive bottom 6)

Hanifin - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - Holl

Campbell - Mrazek

The Leafs would have 1.95 mill to find that UFA and perhaps add a permanent depth guy, with this being the potential Marlies roster next year:

LW Rodion Amirov – C Michael Amadio (RFA) – RW Josh Ho-Sang (AHL UFA)
LW Nick Robertson – C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev – RW Pavel Gogolev
LW Pontus Holmberg – C Mikhail Abramov – RW Alex Steeves
LW Ryan Chyzowski - C Curtis Douglas – RW ???
LW ??? – C ??? – RW ???

LD Filip Kral - RD Brennan Menell (RFA)
LD Kristians Rubins (RFA) - RD Topi Niemela (unsigned)
LD Mikko Kokkonen (unsigned) - RD Axel Rindell (unsigned)
LD ??? - RD William Villeneuve
RD Joseph Duszak (RFA)/RD Brennan Kapcheck/RD Mac Hollowell (RFA)

Kallgren - Woll (RFA)
Scott (RFA)/Petruzzelli

Conclusion
This is probably a crazy proposal with a very long shot of happening, but if we do go down the blockbuster route, I do think Calgary makes a ton of sense.

[GreenLantern2814]

It is a tale told by an idiot.
Full of sound and fury
And signifying
Nothing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Mangiapane doesn’t make sense for this current Buffalo team. He needs a big contract and will be 26 when the Sabres are trying to build around a core of players 3-4 years younger.

Dube makes a lot more sense if they want a more proven player. I hope the Flames figure out a way to keep both.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Pitlick
Lucic-Richardson-Lewis

That is a hell of a forward group

Yes, while Mangi is the better player now and most likely going forward, Dube matches their positional need better and is younger.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I don't see what's so outrageous about it...it's not completely out of line. Not everybody wants to give up that many assets especially given the surgery/high risk. Plus, he's a journalist, he can spin it however he wants really.

I think the outrageous part is suggesting that the Flames going 3-1-1 in the first 5 games of the season would be enough to make Treliving think “this team doesn’t need Eichel after all”

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by soreshins

Just in case you needed a laugh today……this is copied from HF Leafs trade thread

I think Calgary makes the most sense for a Marner blockbuster. Remember we made that huge Phaneuf trade with them on January 31st, 2010... That could be the time both teams decide to make a huge shakeup if things are not going their way.

:leafs
LW Matthew Tkachuk
LD Noah Hanifin
LD/RD Nikita Zadorov
LW Andrew Mangiapane

:flames
RW Mitchell Marner
LD Morgan Rielly
LD/RD Travis Dermott
LW Pierre Engvall

And even the value with picks. Leafs will want an extension done with Tkachuk, and Calgary one with Rielly.

For this year, Calgary is taking on 528k in cap. Next year, Calgary has 29 mill in cap space. Add in Marner/Dermott and take out Hanifin, and that goes down to 21.5 mill.

They need to sign Engvall instead of Mangiapane up front but they need to sign/replace Gaudreau and Rielly's extension will be fairly expensive as well. This will be what their lineup would look like with around 4 mill in cap space to fill the ???'s and add depth:

:flames
Coleman-Lindholm-Marner
Gaudreau (UFA)-Backlund-Dube
Pelletier-Monahan-???
Lucic-???-Engvall (RFA)

Rielly (UFA)-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev
Kylington (RFA)-Dermott

Markstrom-Vladar

For the rest of this year, this is what the Leafs would look like:
:leafs
Tkachuk-Matthews-Mangiapane
Bunting-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase (bottom 6 shutdown)
Ritchie-Kerfoot-Spezza (bottom 6 offense)
Simmonds

Hanifin-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Zadorov
Liljegren

Mrazek-Campbell

PP1
Tkachuk
Nylander-Tavares-Matthews
Hanifin

PP2
Ritchie
Mangiapane-Bunting-Spezza
Sandin

PK Forwards
Kase, Nylander, Kerfoot, Mikheyev, Kampf, and maybe Mangiapane

PK Defensemen
Brodie, Hanifin, Muzzin, Holl, and Zadorov.

Now for next year, we would have Mikheyev, Zadorov, Spezza, and Campbell as our UFA's. Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Sandin, Liljegren, and Kase as our RFA's. I would estimate we would have 17.7 mill in cap space.

Let's say we give Tkachuk an 11% contract, which is right in line where he should be based on previous comparables. Since we are not accounting for cap increases here, that would mean he gets 9 mill on an 8 year deal. For guys who signed as 24/25 year old forwards after bridges, that would put him only behind Giroux, Kessel, and Voracek in terms of cap percentage, and ahead of O'Reilly, Tarasenko, Johansen, and Kuznetsov in terms of similar percentage.

For Mangipane, I think you can just use Conor Garland. Same age (although Garland signed at 25 instead of 26 like Mangipane would), Garland had 47 goals and 96 points in 164 games at the time; Mangiapane, at the same age, had 44 goals and 77 points in 178 games. Both smaller guys with somewhat similar playing styles too I would say. Garland received just north of 6% (4.95 AAV) over 5 years. Let's just say Mangiapane gets 4.9x5 (6% exactly).

Campbell likely comes in at 4 mill on the dot over 3 or 4 years. He'll be 30, and short of him being an absolute stud, guys at that age with limited starting experience don't get more than 5%.

I gave Sandin 1.5 mill x 2 and Liljegren 900k x 1. That leaves us exactly 100k mill to re-sign/replace Kase or Mikheyev, with zero depth guys... which is obviously impossible without cutting some cap. We are left some choices in that regard, but I think the simplest at this point would be to trade Ritchie and Kase.

Tkachuk - Matthews - Mangiapane
Bunting - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot - Kampf - UFA (shutdown bottom 6)
Simmonds - Spezza - Anderson (offensive bottom 6)

Hanifin - Brodie
Muzzin - Liljegren
Sandin - Holl

Campbell - Mrazek

The Leafs would have 1.95 mill to find that UFA and perhaps add a permanent depth guy, with this being the potential Marlies roster next year:

LW Rodion Amirov – C Michael Amadio (RFA) – RW Josh Ho-Sang (AHL UFA)
LW Nick Robertson – C Semyon Der-Arguchintsev – RW Pavel Gogolev
LW Pontus Holmberg – C Mikhail Abramov – RW Alex Steeves
LW Ryan Chyzowski - C Curtis Douglas – RW ???
LW ??? – C ??? – RW ???

LD Filip Kral - RD Brennan Menell (RFA)
LD Kristians Rubins (RFA) - RD Topi Niemela (unsigned)
LD Mikko Kokkonen (unsigned) - RD Axel Rindell (unsigned)
LD ??? - RD William Villeneuve
RD Joseph Duszak (RFA)/RD Brennan Kapcheck/RD Mac Hollowell (RFA)

Kallgren - Woll (RFA)
Scott (RFA)/Petruzzelli

Conclusion
This is probably a crazy proposal with a very long shot of happening, but if we do go down the blockbuster route, I do think Calgary makes a ton of sense.

Lol.

Wth..

[Knightslayer]

Wouldn't trade Marner for Tkachuk straight across. Toronto would have to add significantly and retain salary.

[Ashasx]

Ehh I'd probably trade Tkachuk for Marner, and I love Tkachuk.

Everything is going against the Leafs right now. They have the lowest SH% in the league. I haven't looked but I also imagine they have the worst PDO as well.

My guess is Dubas is smart enough to ride this out.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Mangiapane doesn’t make sense for this current Buffalo team. He needs a big contract and will be 26 when the Sabres are trying to build around a core of players 3-4 years younger.

Dube makes a lot more sense if they want a more proven player. I hope the Flames figure out a way to keep both.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Coleman
Dube-Backlund-Pitlick
Lucic-Richardson-Lewis

That is a hell of a forward group

Instantly pushes Calgary from having one the worst center groups to one of the best. Eichel-lindholm-Backlund is one impressive group of centers.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I don't see what's so outrageous about it...it's not completely out of line. Not everybody wants to give up that many assets especially given the surgery/high risk. Plus, he's a journalist, he can spin it however he wants really.

Kristen Anderson tweeted the article saying "read why Eichel may not be a good fit" and I just expected a smarter argument from the local paper than the Flames are on a 3 game winning streak.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by saillias

Kristen Anderson tweeted the article saying "read why Eichel may not be a good fit" and I just expected a smarter argument from the local paper than the Flames are on a 3 game winning streak.

Why Eichel may not be a good fit:

I've got 10 million reasons and a streak ain't one.