2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[keenan87]

Its too bad Sean Monahan's current value is basically so low. Should have traded him 2 off-seasons ago instead of hoping for a bounceback. Now, the Flames are basically playing him on the fourth line and his value will continue to diminish.

Moving forward, I am okay with keeping Gaudreau (reasonable contract), Lindholm, Mangiapane, and Dube as the forward core. I assume Coleman is here to stay.

I think Tkachuk and Monahan should be used as trade bait..

Tkachuk in a deal for Eichel
Monahan to Ottawa for Josh Norris

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Norris-Dube
Lucic-Backlund-Coleman
4th line

That is a grossly overpaid 3rd line but what can you do.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to imagine the Sabres are looking for top tier prospecs combined with draft picks and the Flames really don't have that in their prospect base.

That’s what they’re looking for but they’re not going to get it. They didn’t get it in the summer, when there were more teams bidding and more cap flexility, and they’re not going to get it now that they’re bargaining position is weaker.

It will end up being something along the lines of the Erik Karlsson deal. Karlsson was 28 at the time, a two-time Norris winner who had finished 2nd in Norris voting in each of the previous two seasons. He was coming off a down season due to injury (a season when he still scored 62 points in 71 games) but there was no reason to believe his was in serious long-term decline. He was universally regarded as one of the elite players in the game. And this is the best deal the Sens could get for him:

* 3rd line C (Tierney)

* 3rd pairing D (Demelo)

* Recent 1st round (19 OA) pick (Norris)

* B level prospect (Balcers)

* 2108 1st round pick (coming off a season when the Sharks finshed 10th overall in the standings)

I think the Sabres will get more for Eichel, due to his age and position. But not a whole lot more.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Tkachuk - Eichel - Phillips(/Coronato if we can keep him)

Phillips isn't an NHL player, let alone a guy you put on the top line. That's kind of the point about the hit we take in depth if you make the deal. You're forcing AHL players on the NHL roster. If we were another year along in the Zary & Pelletier development, I think you can take the gamble. Don't see the depth to lose three roster players (four after Eichel is out for much of the year) and think we won't feel the impact and have competitive team. How does the salary cap work too? That would be three forwards eating up ~35% of the cap. Are those players good enough to be doing that?

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Why? If we keep Gaudreau and Tkachuk long term, Pelletier is blocked from the top 6 anyway. Besides LW is probably the easiest position to fill, whether it be draft, trade or FA.

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So how would Kravstov help? just because he's a RW?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Phillips isn't an NHL player, let alone a guy you put on the top line.

I put about as much value into this assessment of your as I did your past takes on Bennett ("not a top six player nor is he a player with any upside") or Mangiapane ("a 13th forward") so, yeah.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

So how would Kravstov help? just because he's a RW?

If you are going for Eichel (even if you are not going for Eichel), this year is a wing and a prayer in terms of success. I think that Kravtsov will see time in the AHL and NHL this season, but his impact is really going to be after a year of seasoning.

If Tre decides that the team he is building is going to be competitive next year, Kravtsov is a good get. He has more natural skill than any Flames prospect forward not named Coronato or Zary, and plays on a side that Calgary could really use.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Its too bad Sean Monahan's current value is basically so low. Should have traded him 2 off-seasons ago instead of hoping for a bounceback. Now, the Flames are basically playing him on the fourth line and his value will continue to diminish.

Moving forward, I am okay with keeping Gaudreau (reasonable contract), Lindholm, Mangiapane, and Dube as the forward core. I assume Coleman is here to stay.

I think Tkachuk and Monahan should be used as trade bait..

Tkachuk in a deal for Eichel
Monahan to Ottawa for Josh Norris

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Norris-Dube
Lucic-Backlund-Coleman
4th line

That is a grossly overpaid 3rd line but what can you do.

I don't see Buffalo risking Tkachuk leaving and if there is any chance you can re-sign him it is a no brainer to keep him here

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I’m sorry but the upgrade from Lindholm to Eichel is not that significant. Including Lindholm is a hard no.

I don’t think Lindholm makes sense for either team. Sure Buffalo would want him, but I think the primary return pieces are going to be futures based. Lindholm is a significant contributor to a team now. For the Flames to give him up, it defeats the purpose. The whole reason to pursue Eichelnis to catapult this team into contention, not take a half step forward or sideways.

Based on some recent conversations in the media I think the price may have come down a bit and Buffalo is willing to take a contract back with one or two years left on it. If this deal does go down, I think there is going to be one piece, specifically, that’s going to hurt to see go.

Monahan, Mangiapane or Dube, and one of a 1st/Zary/Valimaki/Coronato. May have to top it up with a 2nd in this years draft as well.

[Niemo]

I’d deal Tkachuk if we can’t resign him at 50% retained for Lundell and Denisenko from the Panthers. With or without Eichel, I would do this.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That’s what they’re looking for but they’re not going to get it. They didn’t get it in the summer, when there were more teams bidding and more cap flexility, and they’re not going to get it now that they’re bargaining position is weaker.

It will end up being something along the lines of the Erik Karlsson deal. Karlsson was 28 at the time, a two-time Norris winner who had finished 2nd in Norris voting in each of the previous two seasons. He was coming off a down season due to injury (a season when he still scored 62 points in 71 games) but there was no reason to believe his was in serious long-term decline. He was universally regarded as one of the elite players in the game. And this is the best deal the Sens could get for him:

* 3rd line C (Tierney)

* 3rd pairing D (Demelo)

* Recent 1st round (19 OA) pick (Norris)

* B level prospect (Balcers)

* 2108 1st round pick (coming off a season when the Sharks finshed 10th overall in the standings)

I think the Sabres will get more for Eichel, due to his age and position. But not a whole lot more.

Eichel has major injury red flags, even more than Karlsson did. And is losing a year of playing time due to recovery. And the assumption that he will regain form after a year off and after spine surgery. He may literally not be able to “keep his head on a swivel” after this. It’s a huge gamble for any GM. 2 first rounders and 2 lower-tier NHL players is on the high side to me. I imagine cap space is a huge barrier to seeing this through.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If you are going for Eichel (even if you are not going for Eichel), this year is a wing and a prayer in terms of success. I think that Kravtsov will see time in the AHL and NHL this season, but his impact is really going to be after a year of seasoning.

If Tre decides that the team he is building is going to be competitive next year, Kravtsov is a good get. He has more natural skill than any Flames prospect forward not named Coronato or Zary, and plays on a side that Calgary could really use.

Just to add, as I posted in another thread, Kravtsov tied Panarin for the ninth best scoring total for an under-20 player (21pts in 50 games) in KHL history, putting up an astonishing 26.58% of his teams points in his D+1 year. When he was drafted, he was compared to Kuznetsov for his skill and edgy play. The only reason he was around at the Rangers pick was said to be the Russian factor. He's 6'3", plays a bit of a power game, has skill, and skates very well. Very hard to knock off the puck. This is the kind of prospect we are sorely lacking, but as stated above, he needs some seasoning.

[Jiri Hrdina]

You ideally want to get Kravstov without giving up Zary, Pelletier or Corranato. The team needs to add net-new high end prospects.
So I would try and offer a 2nd and one of Stromgren, Mackey, Pettersen or Kuznetzov. Basically none of the top 3 forward prospects or Wolf.

Rangers have a stacked pipeline so someone further out like a Pettersen or Stromgren probably makes more sense than a guy like Mackey.
Not saying that gets it done but it's kinda the going rate for a prospect with high pedigree looking for a change.
Lias Andersson only got a 2nd, though I think Kravstov is a better prospect than him.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You ideally want to get Kravstov without giving up Zary, Pelletier or Corranato. The team needs to add net-new high end prospects.
So I would try and offer a 2nd and one of Stromgren, Mackey, Pettersen or Kuznetzov. Basically none of the top 3 forward prospects or Wolf.

Rangers have a stacked pipeline so someone further out like a Pettersen or Stromgren probably makes more sense than a guy like Mackey.
Not saying that gets it done but it's kinda the going rate for a prospect with high pedigree looking for a change.
Lias Andersson only got a 2nd, though I think Kravstov is a better prospect than him.

I agree that we need more upper-echelon prospects, and that the ideal scenario would be to avoid parting with Zary, Coronato, or Pelletier-but if it takes one of those guys to do the deal, I think you have to look at it. Out of those 3, I would be most willing to part with Pelletier, despite how well he's doing in his first year in the AHL-just my personal opinion, but I think the other two are slightly better prospects. We have added size to our prospect pool, but not so much to those that project as top-6 players, and Kravtsov helps us there, and I think his potential has been overlooked.

[stemit14]

I still have hope that Monahan will get his game going soon as I am a fan of him and I think he still has some great game left in him. However, Dube is looking like he fits well at centre ice. I would not be surprised to see Monahan moved for a fairly disappointing return in order to make the eichel deal work cap-wise.

For example, I could see Ottawa trading something like a 2nd round pick + B prospect. They are looking for a scoring centre. Monahan has been that in the past and if traded for right now would likely be a low cost acquisition… with a decent chance to rebound on a new team. This return would be unremarkable for Calgary but it would give them cap space to make the eichel move. I’m sure Ottawa would prefer someone like Hertl or Giroux but I don’t think those players are available right now because both San Jose and Philadelphia might be fighting for playoff spots (a surprise I think). Also, the acquisition costs for those players would be much higher than Monahan right now.

I know most would hope for the return for Monahan to be more so that it could be used to direct assets acquired from the trade to Buffalo to save some of Calgary’s assets but his value right now might not be very high. If you look at it as a cap move to acquire eichel instead of a trade for value, it makes sense. If losing Monahan for little return meant the flames could acquire eichel, I think most people would be ok with that. It’s essentially losing one trade now so that the flames could acquire eichel now and get his surgery done sooner so he could be back and hopefully help this team in a playoff run.

Dube playing well at centre makes this possible since the flames could still be competitive till eichel is healthy. If Monahan was playing well as a top two centre on the team and Dube was not an option at centre, I would say that trading Monahan was too big of a risk (especially if it was for a poor return). But right now that’s not the case.


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[Rutuu]

For the asset management crowd...how far are we from peak Mangipane? And should we be cashing in to jump start a retool?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I still have hope that Monahan will get his game going soon as I am a fan of him and I think he still has some great game left in him. However, Dube is looking like he fits well at centre ice. I would not be surprised to see Monahan moved for a fairly disappointing return in order to make the eichel deal work cap-wise.

For example, I could see Ottawa trading something like a 2nd round pick + B prospect. They are looking for a scoring centre. Monahan has been that in the past and if traded for right now would likely be a low cost acquisition… with a decent chance to rebound on a new team. This return would be unremarkable for Calgary but it would give them cap space to make the eichel move. I’m sure Ottawa would prefer someone like Hertl or Giroux but I don’t think those players are available right now because both San Jose and Philadelphia might be fighting for playoff spots (a surprise I think). Also, the acquisition costs for those players would be much higher than Monahan right now.

I know most would hope for the return for Monahan to be more so that it could be used to direct assets acquired from the trade to Buffalo to save some of Calgary’s assets but his value right now might not be very high. If you look at it as a cap move to acquire eichel instead of a trade for value, it makes sense. If losing Monahan for little return meant the flames could acquire eichel, I think most people would be ok with that. It’s essentially losing one trade now so that the flames could acquire eichel now and get his surgery done sooner so he could be back and hopefully help this team in a playoff run.

Dube playing well at centre makes this possible since the flames could still be competitive till eichel is healthy. If Monahan was playing well as a top two centre on the team and Dube was not an option at centre, I would say that trading Monahan was too big of a risk (especially if it was for a poor return). But right now that’s not the case.


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I’m not sure if Monny could be moved right now, even if given away. That could change if he starts producing which presumably means he regains his health.

Ottawa doesn’t tend to take on cap, especially for a player who hasn’t proven he’s regained his health.

Calgary can use a centre who scores as much as anyone. If they appear to be dumping Monny, what does that tell other teams?


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[DeluxeMoustache]

Lol. Held out of training camp and 5 games into a new season, just back from surgery. He isn’t lighting it up, I’ve seen all I need to see.

And people are pining for Eichel, who needs surgery.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol. Held out of training camp and 5 games into a new season, just back from surgery. He isn’t lighting it up, I’ve seen all I need to see.

And people are pining for Eichel, who needs surgery.

Umm Monahan has been playing like crap for a few seasons now. This is not 80+ point Monahan from last season who is off to a slow start. This is a player who hasn't looked like a legitimate Top 6 threat since the series against Colorado.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Umm Monahan has been playing like crap for a few seasons now. This is not 80+ point Monahan from last season who is off to a slow start. This is a player who hasn't looked like a legitimate Top 6 threat since the series against Colorado.

So he didn’t impress you last year after being injured in game 6, eh? In light of the fact that he was playing through injuries needing surgery, as it turns out having his hip lock up off of faceoffs, and meanwhile dragging around the corpse of Brett Ritchie? How about that.

Why not consider the information that is well known and freely available, and discuss what is reasonable to expect under those circumstances, rather than completely ignoring them and going off on the player.

People thanked that, too. Yeesh.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Lol. Held out of training camp and 5 games into a new season, just back from surgery. He isn’t lighting it up, I’ve seen all I need to see.

And people are pining for Eichel, who needs surgery.

My first comment was that I think he still has some great game left and I think he will bounce back. I was just saying that the only reason for the flames to trade him right now while his value is low is because they would want eichel now rather than later so that he can have his surgery sooner and possibly play some games this year. I really do hope Monahan can bounce back and become a top six player again. I think he will. This is just a speculation on what could happen in order to acquire eichel soon in a trade.

It’s not an attack on Monahan or how he is playing. I know Sutter is easing him back into his role and is letting him find his game.


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