2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m sure Eichel and his team are more familiar with the situation and what he can/can’t do and what he has/hasn’t done or been able to do.

I am sure he is also, I was only responding to the point he was going to file a grievance. His only grievance would be with the PA and we will see how it plays out.

[Classic_Sniper]

Saw a video of former UFC champ Chris Weidman talking about his neck disc replacement surgery and after watching that, I think I'd be perfectly fine trading for Eichel. If an MMA fighter who trains in gruelling conditions and gets punched in the head for a living can still perform after this so called "experimental" surgery, then I like the chances that a hockey player can as well.

I wouldn't deny any reasonable package for Eichel. He really could take this team to the next level. The current top line with him centering a second line would be a helluva top 6.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Then his problem is with the NHLPA for giving the medical right to the teams. He had a right to get a second opinion and apparently the board of doctors for the league disagree, or more likely support the proven surgery recommended.

I’ve read the agreement sand there’s a lot more grey area than you are suggesting. And any discretionary power in that kind of employment agreement has to be exercised reasonably.

That’s why they are gathering evidence to prove that the decision of the Sabres is not reasonable.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Saw a video of former UFC champ Chris Weidman talking about his neck disc replacement surgery and after watching that, I think I'd be perfectly fine trading for Eichel. If an MMA fighter who trains in gruelling conditions and gets punched in the head for a living can still perform after this so called "experimental" surgery, then I like the chances that a hockey player can as well.

I wouldn't deny any reasonable package for Eichel. He really could take this team to the next level. The current top line with him centering a second line would be a helluva top 6.

Yeah Buffalo's doctor must be from the stone-age, disc replacement has a 90% success rate, faster recovery and with full mobility with no known need for future operations, cervical fusion has a 90% success rate with loss of mobility and almost a 100% need for future operations.

I have a feeling this is all about LTIR insurance

[Poe969]

Isn't there a way for Eichel to breach/terminate his contract, have the surgery, then become a UFA?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Isn't there a way for Eichel to breach/terminate his contract, have the surgery, then become a UFA?

If he wants to risk 50M

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If he wants to risk 50M

I don’t see the risk though. There’s plenty of teams ready to drop big assets on him, I guarantee someone would give him a 10 million dollar 1 or 2 year deal once he’s finished with the surgery of his choosing. If he thinks this surgery is going to keep him playing then he’s not going to lose (much) money if he just gets it done I think.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I don’t see the risk though. There’s plenty of teams ready to drop big assets on him, I guarantee someone would give him a 10 million dollar 1 or 2 year deal once he’s finished with the surgery of his choosing. If he thinks this surgery is going to keep him playing then he’s not going to lose (much) money if he just gets it done I think.

He can't just terminate the contract, the team has to agree as well, and the Sabres aren't going to agree to that either. It would mean they'd lose him for nothing, and clearly they want a massive haul of assets in return for him.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He can't just terminate the contract, the team has to agree as well, and the Sabres aren't going to agree to that either. It would mean they'd lose him for nothing, and clearly they want a massive haul of assets in return for him.

If Eichel just goes and gets his surgery without the Sabres permission, then what can the Sabres do? It it’s a breach of contract they can void the contract, which I don’t think Eichel would mind because then he’s free to sign wherever.

Maybe the Sabres can toll/pause his contract if he breaches it. In that case then yeah, not as great of an option.

Still though, if he would have just went and yolo’d and got his surgery 8 months ago he’d be playing again already, for Buffalo or someone else.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He can't just terminate the contract, the team has to agree as well, and the Sabres aren't going to agree to that either. It would mean they'd lose him for nothing, and clearly they want a massive haul of assets in return for him.

No but he could just go ahead and do the surgery he wants though, the Sabres could then void his contract and stop paying him for breach thus making him a FA or just suck it up and keep paying him, the way things are going if I was Eichel I would bet on myself and just do the surgery.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

No but he could just go ahead and do the surgery he wants though, the Sabres could then void his contract and stop paying him for breach thus making him a FA or just suck it up and keep paying him, the way things are going if I was Eichel I would bet on myself and just do the surgery.

and if the surgery doesn't go well - which is a real possibility - he is out $50 million dollars

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

and if the surgery doesn't go well - which is a real possibility - he is out $50 million dollars

Which is why I said to bet on himself, if the surgery goes as expected he wouldn't be out anything, except that hole Buffalo

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I don’t see the risk though. There’s plenty of teams ready to drop big assets on him, I guarantee someone would give him a 10 million dollar 1 or 2 year deal once he’s finished with the surgery of his choosing. If he thinks this surgery is going to keep him playing then he’s not going to lose (much) money if he just gets it done I think.

Thing is nobody is giving him the money BEFORE the surgery

If there is an issue he is out 50M

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Which is why I said to bet on himself, if the surgery goes as expected he wouldn't be out anything, except that hole Buffalo

He would be betting on the surgeon at that point...pretty dumb move even if its likely to go well

[GreenLantern2814]

How is this Eichel #### still dragging on?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, sure. So, all that tells us is that a deal hasn't been done yet. If Buffalo wants a deal done, they are clearly going to need to drop their ask.

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Nah they will hold on. The asset has 10 million reasons to capitulate. They have very few.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He would be betting on the surgeon at that point...pretty dumb move even if its likely to go well

Well, he's 24 years old, he needs some sort of surgery to play again, one has a 90% chance of being normal, the other will leave him somewhat restrictive and most likely will require more future surgeries for a normal life.

All I'm saying is if he bet on himself and got the surgery that has a 90% chance of him returning to normal he wouldn't loose a dime and probably would have a long lasting career.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Well, he's 24 years old, he needs some sort of surgery to play again, one has a 90% chance of being normal, the other will leave him somewhat restrictive and most likely will require more future surgeries for a normal life.

All I'm saying is if he bet on himself and got the surgery that has a 90% chance of him returning to normal he wouldn't loose a dime and probably would have a long lasting career.

Or have a 100% chance at 50M

No probably needed....he would be insane to breach his contract at this point.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Nah they will hold on. The asset has 10 million reasons to capitulate. They have very few.

The asset is getting paid either way. They’re welcome to give him his salary and get nothing in return, I guess.

[FranksandBean]

At this point if I was Jack I might get the surgery I want and make Buffalo either suspend me (can’t due to cap reasons) terminate my contract (wouldn’t as he would become a UFA) or trade me to a team okay with it.