[Game Takes] Flames 3 Wings 0

[Bingo]

Flames 3 Wings 0

- Flames win!
- Markstrom with the shut out
- Kylington looks good in the second pairing

[PeteMoss]

Strong agreement on the broken stick section.

[Erick Estrada]

Regardless of the possession stats it felt like the Flames had the game under control after the first 10 minutes of the game and just played a solid road game. I hope this game is a sign that Markstrom is getting going as he made some key stops early in the game that set the team up for the win. The only thing to critique was maybe the powerplay although they didn't get a lot of opportunities to get that going.

[ricardodw]

Sutter is not looking for a 2nd line. He wants to have a 3rd line that is comfortable putting out against the other teams top line and the other team would rather avoid.

[Infinit47]

It wasn't the prettiest of games. But glad for the win.

[DoubleK]

Wobbly is the perfect word to describe the start of the game.

The save Markstrom made on Leddy in the second was unreal. The shutout was well deserved.

I wasn't a fan of Kylington's game in the first, he got much better from that point on. I hope that he gains the confidence that he belongs in the top 4. There is a slot available if he wants it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Wobbly is the perfect word to describe the start of the game.

The save Markstrom made on Leddy in the second was unreal. The shutout was well deserved.

I wasn't a fan of Kylington's game in the first, he got much better from that point on. I hope that he gains the confidence that he belongs in the top 4. There is a slot available if he wants it.

Not sure why such a smooth skater falls down twice a game. Maybe he needs those parabolic skate blades!

But man when he was jumping up with speed in the second half of the game he was noticeable, and what a change. I felt his biggest issues in previous years was his inability to use his speed when he had the puck. Last night was different.

You can't take him out after that one, and I'm usually the guy pouring cold water on the Kylington crowd.

[Freddy]

Thanks for your game takes Bingo and included fancy stat highlights. Reading that Mangiapane and Dube struggled went against the bias I saw the game through which hopefully helps me see things more objectively going forward. In another thread I expressed that I thought Dube was our most dynamic center, but I must have been ignoring a few sequences where that line got hemmed in their own zone and it was a bit of a fire drill. That said, I hope Sutter has patience with that combo and tries to keep their matchups against weaker competition because they also provide the fastest counter attack of the lines on rushes through the neutral zone and turnovers.

Another thing I see today are fans extolling how good of a 3rd the Flames had, but while being better than the 2nd for sure, Markstrom had to be very good late in the game as juicy chances were given out by the team uncharacteristic of a Sutter identity.

[FBI]

What about Mangiapane, Dube, Coleman together? Seems like that could be awesome?

[Enoch Root]

My thoughts on going to get a stick...

The NHL is VERY traditional. It has always been the 'wisdom' that you continue to play without a stick. But in the past, there were 2 things that are very different than today: 1) the players are much faster now - some were down right glacial, back in the day, and 2) you can't play the body like you used to.

Before, if you lost your stick, you would simply take a player out and basically hold him on the boards. Now, you can't do anything remotely close to that, and the game is played with sticks, not bodies.

So the old notion of playing without a stick is antiquated. You're useless out there. Go get a fricking stick! Even in the 2nd period, it is only 4 to 5 seconds each way.

Last night (and typically), they were playing 'short' in their own end for maybe 20-30 seconds and were under pressure like they were killing a penalty anyway. It was - as it usually is - a tire fire. So just go get one and get back in the play as fast as you can.

Ten seconds is not a lot of time for a team to 'set up the power play' and exploit an open man. If they do, good on them. But the current strategy guarantees pressure in your end anyway, and usually for much longer.

I think it should also be mentioned that Monahan played it really well. He did pretty much everything he could do, considering he had no stick. However, if he did have one, he would have been able to clear the zone faster than they were able to.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by FBI

What about Mangiapane, Dube, Coleman together? Seems like that could be awesome?

I would love to see that over a few games for sure...the speed would be so hard for any team to counter on a regular basis.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

My thoughts on going to get a stick...

The NHL is VERY traditional. It has always been the 'wisdom' that you continue to play without a stick. But in the past, there were 2 things that are very different than today: 1) the players are much faster now - some were down right glacial, back in the day, and 2) you can't play the body like you used to.

Before, if you lost your stick, you would simply take a player out and basically hold him on the boards. Now, you can't do anything remotely close to that, and the game is played with sticks, not bodies.

So the old notion of playing without a stick is antiquated. You're useless out there. Go get a fricking stick! Even in the 2nd period, it is only 4 to 5 seconds each way.

Last night (and typically), they were playing 'short' in their own end for maybe 20-30 seconds and were under pressure like they were killing a penalty anyway. It was - as it usually is - a tire fire. So just go get one and get back in the play as fast as you can.

Ten seconds is not a lot of time for a team to 'set up the power play' and exploit an open man. If they do, good on them. But the current strategy guarantees pressure in your end anyway, and usually for much longer.

I think it should also be mentioned that Monahan played it really well. He did pretty much everything he could do, considering he had no stick. However, if he did have one, he would have been able to clear the zone faster than they were able to.

If you send a player on a change when the guy without a stick is coming you could likely shave the 8-9 seconds to 6-7.

Yeah Monahan actually got the puck carrier, pinned him, only to have Lucic lose it on a dangle.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If you send a player on a change when the guy without a stick is coming you could likely shave the 8-9 seconds to 6-7.

Yeah Monahan actually got the puck carrier, pinned him, only to have Lucic lose it on a dangle.

yup - a guy jumping on can cheat by a stride or two, and has momentum in the right direction. Any body will do, just get someone into the paly who has a stick

[GioforPM]

Boy, can you imagine the board if Monahan left for a stick or change and they scored?

Come to think of it, probably the same reaction (by the same posters) if they scored with him doing what he did.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Boy, can you imagine the board if Monahan left for a stick or change and they scored?

Come to think of it, probably the same reaction (by the same posters) if they scored with him doing what he did.

Well if that's directed at me, I can categorically deny - I have been harping on the 'go get a ####ing stick' issue for years.

[---Hatrick---]

It was mentioned in the GT that there is a big difference with what period it is. If the bench is closer to the play in the particular period it would be pretty quick to grab a stick or get off for a change. With the bench being further away like last night, I think the right thing was done. I know it doesn’t help having guy floating around stickless, but atleast he can shadow a player and try to eliminate him as a pass option.

If Monahan disappears from the play completely then it gives them a brief power play when they already have sustained possession.

I know some of you are saying he could be back in 10 sec, but defending a team with possession and huge momentum, 10 seconds feels like an eternity. Now with a brief 5 on 4 I think they’re worse off in my opinion.

Also, if Lucic just makes a simply play to clear the puck instead of try to dangle a guy, that would have been ideal too

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

It was mentioned in the GT that there is a big difference with what period it is. If the bench is closer to the play in the particular period it would be pretty quick to grab a stick or get off for a change. With the bench being further away like last night, I think the right thing was done. I know it doesn’t help having guy floating around stickless, but atleast he can shadow a player and try to eliminate him as a pass option.

If Monahan disappears from the play completely then it gives them a brief power play when they already have sustained possession.

I know some of you are saying he could be back in 10 sec, but defending a team with possession and huge momentum, 10 seconds feels like an eternity. Now with a brief 5 on 4 I think they’re worse off in my opinion.

Also, if Lucic just makes a simply play to clear the puck instead of try to dangle a guy, that would have been ideal too

I think if you ran the math on those 10 seconds in 1000 simulations it would come out heavily to go get a stick.

By staying it's a powerplay anyway but it could go 20 or 30 or more seconds.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think if you ran the math on those 10 seconds in 1000 simulations it would come out heavily to go get a stick.

By staying it's a powerplay anyway but it could go 20 or 30 or more seconds.

It’s one of them damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenarios

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well if that's directed at me, I can categorically deny - I have been harping on the 'go get a ####ing stick' issue for years.

No, it wasn't directed at you. More at those who post specifically about Monahan. I recall one post where it was quite apparent the poster had waited all game until Monahan had trouble with a pass (which was behind him and slow) to finally get to remark about how useless he was.

[EVERLAST]

No one has mentioned it but last year I saw several highlights of guys busting a twig and immediately skating to the bench where trainer was already waiting with a new twig and it took no time at all.....and in a couple instances said player went on to score a goal.

Announcers even joked the trainer should get an assist on the goal.