Ongoing YYCCC (Chu + Farkas) Transgressions Threat

[Slava]

Originally Posted by SebC

I think we need to discuss the problem in abstract terms.

Perpetrator does something to victim. Publication ban is put in place to protect victim's identity. In the court's view, perp has been punished fairly.

Perpetrator runs for public office. It's now a matter of public interest that the ban be lifted, but that has to be weighed against the consequences for the victim.

One could avoid the scenario entirely by disallowing perpetrators who are subject to a publication ban from running for office, but that's anti-democratic.

I don't see a clean solution here, but I'd suggest that we may need a procedure where publication bans are automatically re-assessed on an expedited and case-by-case basis if they involve a perpetrator who is running for office.

I don’t know the ins and outs of this, regarding publication bans. But can’t some information be made available? We’ve definitely seen cases where there are publication bans in place, but that doesn’t mean they’re entirely sealed and nothing is known.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by SebC

I think we need to discuss the problem in abstract terms.

Perpetrator does something to victim. Publication ban is put in place to protect victim's identity. In the court's view, perp has been punished fairly.

Perpetrator runs for public office. It's now a matter of public interest that the ban be lifted, but that has to be weighed against the consequences for the victim.

One could avoid the scenario entirely by disallowing perpetrators who are subject to a publication ban from running for office, but that's anti-democratic.

I don't see a clean solution here, but I'd suggest that we may need a procedure where publication bans are automatically re-assessed on an expedited and case-by-case basis if they involve a perpetrator who is running for office.

I think the first bolded is part of the problem the public has with what has transpired, what punishment did Chu actually see? Wouldn't it have been a matter of public record that some sort of punishment was levied against him in the past for something even if it left out the details as to the nature of the offence and the victim if significant action had been taken?

The second bolded part may be a good step towards a solution to prevent a scenario like this from happening again.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by #-3

I'm not sure I'm on board with Gondeks stance here, I'm fine with calling for is resignation. But refusing to take part in official proceedings, I'd rather not see. Anyone with a passing interest in US politics has had a 6 year lesson, has received a stark lesson in the value of maintaining norms, even if it's something you don't like.

First the left refuses to swear in a rapey wife beater, and 4 years from now you'll have one of these faux conservative sociopaths to swear in anyone they like. Blackball him, charge him, marginalize him, whatever but down take politics into your own hands.

She doesn't want a photo op of her and Chu in an official ceremony, I don't blame her

[Pizza]

As per Global news, the Returning Officer has denied all requests for a recount

[Wormius]

Was there a reason? 52 votes is a pretty slim margin. What's the threshold then?

[woob]

They should have a do over for Ward 4 election. I know a couple people who voted early for Chu (yes, I gave them the gears for voting for him) who wish they’d voted differently now. Now that the voters in Ward 4 are truly educated on their options, let them vote again.

[getbak]

Apparently, there has to be very specific reasons to request a recount and none were sufficient for the returning officer to accept the requests.

Kelly has announced he will be requesting a judicial recount. I don't know what that means or what the chances are that it will change anything.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1451361320624820239

[getbak]

Also, someone actually requested a recount for the mayor vote. Gondek's margin of victory was almost 60,000.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by getbak

Also, someone actually requested a recount for the mayor vote. Gondek's margin of victory was almost 60,000.

It was undoubtedly Kevin J Johnston.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

It was undoubtedly Kevin J Johnston.

I assume so... or Theoren Fleury.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by #-3

I'm not sure I'm on board with Gondeks stance here, I'm fine with calling for is resignation. But refusing to take part in official proceedings, I'd rather not see. Anyone with a passing interest in US politics has had a 6 year lesson, has received a stark lesson in the value of maintaining norms, even if it's something you don't like.

First the left refuses to swear in a rapey wife beater, and 4 years from now you'll have one of these faux conservative sociopaths to swear in anyone they like. Blackball him, charge him, marginalize him, whatever but down take politics into your own hands.

This isn’t a left right thing.

Even Kenny called for him to do the right thing though he added the if true caveat. In general though I agree. I don’t think the Province should intervene even if it’s in their power. Results of elections even ones we don’t like should be respected.

However symbolic things like not swearing him in I like. Those are good ways to make a symbolic point while the process of democracy can continue.

[powderjunkie]

It would be crazy to not do a recount considering we're using friggin scantron. I'm sure the tech has improved a bit, but I remember from school days you'd occasionally catch an error if you reviewed it.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

it would be crazy to not do a recount considering we're using friggin scantron. I'm sure the tech has improved a bit, but i remember from school days you'd occasionally catch an error if you reviewed it.

acdcbbd

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GGG

This isn’t a left right thing.

Even Kenny called for him to do the right thing though he added the if true caveat. In general though I agree. I don’t think the Province should intervene even if it’s in their power. Results of elections even ones we don’t like should be respected.

However symbolic things like not swearing him in I like. Those are good ways to make a symbolic point while the process of democracy can continue.

I just mean if the political norm is that swear people who win elections, then we should swear the guy who won the election in. That doesn't mean all the other stuff can't happen. I'm just pretty fearful of the world of possibilities where it's socially acceptable to not swear someone in because you are unhappy with them.

Hey if I'm the Mayor in the sentence before the oath of office I say right in front of everyone "Sean Chu, you are unfit for office and should step down right now, but we respect democracy, and will play this charade as long as you choose not to do the right thing".

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by getbak

I assume so... or Theoren Fleury.

Fleury would just be Joe Citizen. It would have to be a candidate or a designated campaign surrogate.

Plenty of delusional nuts on the bottom rungs of the ballot, but Johnston is a fair guess.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Fleury would just be Joe Citizen. It would have to be a candidate or a designated campaign surrogate.

Plenty of delusional nuts on the bottom rungs of the ballot, but Johnston is a fair guess.

I'd go with Hallelujah for that. Johnston seems more about milking the publicity for notoriety and donation money, while Hallelujah seems legit crazy.

[Scorch]

Ric McIver, minister of municipal affairs has this to say

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...8ED220B5252640

“The Municipal Government Act is very clear on the issue of a Criminal Code (Canada) conviction. Councillors convicted of an offence punishable by imprisonment for five or more years or of an offence under sections 123, 124 or 125 of the Criminal Code (Canada) are disqualified from office and must resign immediately or may be removed by application to the court. However, that criteria does not apply in this matter as no conviction exists.
“That said, I fully recognize the justifiable public interest in this unprecedented situation. Because of the extremely unique circumstances involving Calgary City Council and Councillor-elect Chu, and the lack of clarity for recourse in the Municipal Government Act, I have asked for outside, independent legal counsel to review the legislation and provide expert advice on what action – if any – the Minister of Municipal Affairs may legally take.
“Because of the importance of integrity and transparency, I fully intend to make this expert advice public, and I have asked this review to be completed as expediently as possible. Further details about this process, including the firm selected, will be released in the coming days.”

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Scorch

Ric McIver, minister of municipal affairs has this to say

https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...8ED220B5252640

that's about all you can ask for.

i think you guys are stuck with him, though.

If he's going to still have the job and get paid, I just hope he's made miserable for every second of it.

[Fuzz]

It really sucks for Ward 4 though. Another 4 years of crap representation, and now with him being persona non grata, it will probably be even worse for us. It hurts so mcuh more that it was only 54 votes, which wouldn't be the case had the news come out a week earlier.



Just so much to be mad about.

[tvp2003]

From Don Braid’s most recent piece in the Herald:

One of the smartest things anybody has said about all this comes from Wayne Cao, the former Progressive Conservative politician who was deputy Speaker of the legislature from 2008-12.

“To prevent bad post-election situation,” he wrote on Twitter, “we should have an election law requiring every candidate applicant for any public office to declare under oath, publicly disclosing their personal financial and judicial matters.”

If there were such a law, Chu would have been required to reveal not just the situation with the girl, but a domestic dispute that led to a police call in 2008, as reported by the CBC.