2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Monahan would probably be viewed by Buffalo as a cap dump at this point

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Any Monahan and Buffalo trade would need a third party.

So, a contending/bubble team that has a cap dump of 1-3 years left would make sense to take on Monahan as the better player and sending the cap dump to Buffalo.

[Harry Lime]

I believe that Anaheim already called Drysdale and Zegras off the table, although I don't have the link. I would guess that the offer is Rackell-McTavish-Steel-1st or something of that nature. Pretty comparable to Monahan-Valimaki-Pelletier-1st from Calgary, which is why both teams have been rumoured 'in it' from the start.

If I were either GM, I don't know if I would budge from that position. No team is willing to give up an A+ prospect at this point.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I believe that Anaheim already called Drysdale and Zegras off the table, although I don't have the link. I would guess that the offer is Rackell-McTavish-Steel-1st or something of that nature. Pretty comparable to Monahan-Valimaki-Pelletier-1st from Calgary, which is why both teams have been rumoured 'in it' from the start.

If I were either GM, I don't know if I would budge from that position. No team is willing to give up an A+ prospect at this point.

I feel like if McTavish, Drysdale or Zegras were on the table the trade would already be done.

My guess is most teams have offers on the table with prospects similar to the quality of our prospects (so a good solid tier or two below McTavish/Drysdale etc).

[MrMike]

Does anyone have any faith this will ever get done? At this point I could see it dragging until the new year, of the point where he will miss the rest of the season/be back for playoffs.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Does anyone have any faith this will ever get done? At this point I could see it dragging until the new year, of the point where he will miss the rest of the season/be back for playoffs.

I think there may be some teams planning on that. Pull a kucherov with eichel.


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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Monny may be a solid 2nd line centre.

He will need to prove that due to his injuries. Until he does that, teams will view him with suspicion. And rightfully so.

Monahan has been trending down for two seasons now. Even before that he was a one-dimensional player. If he isn’t scoring goals he brings very little to a roster.

People have to come to grips with the likelihood that he’s trending in the Duchesne/Johansen career trajectory.

[memphusk]

Yes it sure feels that way. Too bad he's doing it way before his next contract.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Jesus

We are two (2) games in
- playing teams that have played previously
- working with new line combinations
Monahan’s advanced stats have been lights out
last year he played:
- injured
- dragging along the corpse of Ritchie

He also was kept out until late training camp

He is a good player. People need to pump the brakes and chill out.

A season playing through injuries isn’t a downward spiral. Sutter appreciated how he did everything asked of him

4 games in 6 days, let’s check in a week from now

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You sure love to come up with excuses for players not being very good and preach a "wait it out" approach. Maybe the 100th time a Flames asset declines into nothingness before he gets moved you'll be right.

Monahan has always been a competent complimentary player and not a true play driver. But you make it sound like he's replacement level in the last two seasons, and he's not.

He had a great start last season before getting hurt.

He's looked fine in the two games to start this season.

His value is already crippled by the injuries so this is the rebound season that makes him easier to move.

Your post above was honestly almost mean. Chill dude.

[talladega.25]

I will just throw it out there, Monahan has been a shell of what he was when he first broke in as a Flame. Heck I only played Junior A but I have some pals that play in the NHL and they always say (off the record) that Monahan and Gaudreau are an ideal match-up because they are so easy to play against (soft and out of D-side position a ton).
I have said before I am an optimist and love the flaming C no matter what but honestly, Monahan sucks and has gotten worse over the course of 2 plus seasons!!! So stop defending him and "It is 2 games in pump the brakes" lines. With and without the puck Monahan is poo poo. Excuses are what drive me nuts, please just realize that 23 sucks and that is all there is to it. At least when he was a regular at Cowboys he played guilty and was somewhat effective, he has matured off the ice.. great but he's a shell of what he was. I totally understand the pressure and the work that comes with being a pro athlete and I have sympathy for him and everyone else..its a tough job, but in a results driven business, Monahan leaves a lot to be desired.

[GioforPM]

Most people who “have sympathy” for a player wouldn’t say “Monahan sucks” and “Monahan is poo poo”. And Monahan was “somewhat effective” when he was younger? Do you mean from 2013-2020 when he scored 22-34 goals every year? He’s so soft he’s played through hip injuries, wrist injuries etc which were never complained of or used as an excuse at the time.

Not sure what all this stuff has to do with trade speculations anyway.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Come on man, he played junior A and has friends that play in the NHL. He knows what he's talking about here.

[Young Guns]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Monahan has always been a competent complimentary player and not a true play driver. But you make it sound like he's replacement level in the last two seasons, and he's not.

He had a great start last season before getting hurt.

He's looked fine in the two games to start this season.

His value is already crippled by the injuries so this is the rebound season that makes him easier to move.

Your post above was honestly almost mean. Chill dude.

Agree for the most part but think he has been fairly invisible these first two games. He looks lost on the powerplay and I expect if he has another game or two like the first couple he will be removed from the #1 unit. Really hope he figures it out soon but right now the play dies on his stick in the offensive zone. Right now he is a good 3rd line center but everyone expects him to be a good top 6 player.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Agree for the most part but think he has been fairly invisible these first two games. He looks lost on the powerplay and I expect if he has another game or two like the first couple he will be removed from the #1 unit. Really hope he figures it out soon but right now the play dies on his stick in the offensive zone. Right now he is a good 3rd line center but everyone expects him to be a good top 6 player.

I just don't see this invisible stuff (ha!)

He's the high guy on a line with two burners that get in on the F1/F2 consistently. The line has had great metrics through two games which is huge because the team is loading up line one.

On the powerplay he's been great retrieving loose pucks letting them keep the pressure on for most of the two minutes often against the Ducks.

His underlying numbers are great, and he's started the season playing way more physically.

I honestly think people saying invisible (no disrespect to you) may actually mean they can't find him on the score sheet, because things are going fine on the ice from my expectation vantage point.

[Fischy13]

Calgary is lacking the elite talents that prop up middling players that can be spent for more draft capital. Look at SJ back in the day, Thornton feeding Cheecho and Setoguchi for 50 goals seasons. They flipped those guys and just kept the pipeline going. The Flames need Eichel for this reason alone and he will singlehandedly replace a good amount of the acquisition cost he comes with.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Calgary is lacking the elite talents that prop up middling players that can be spent for more draft capital. Look at SJ back in the day, Thornton feeding Cheecho and Setoguchi for 50 goals seasons. They flipped those guys and just kept the pipeline going. The Flames need Eichel for this reason alone and he will singlehandedly replace a good amount of the acquisition cost he comes with.

Absolutely!!! This is bang on.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Calgary is lacking the elite talents that prop up middling players that can be spent for more draft capital. Look at SJ back in the day, Thornton feeding Cheecho and Setoguchi for 50 goals seasons. They flipped those guys and just kept the pipeline going. The Flames need Eichel for this reason alone and he will singlehandedly replace a good amount of the acquisition cost he comes with.

Who has he propped up in Buffalo that they were able to get a good return on?

[bax]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Who has he propped up in Buffalo that they were able to get a good return on?

Well the Sabres didn’t get a good return, but Jeff Skinner is sure thanking Eichel for setting him up with 72 million dollars:

Skinner with Eichel:

82 games
40 goals
63 points

Skinner without Eichel:

115 games
22 goals
40 points

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Calgary is lacking the elite talents that prop up middling players that can be spent for more draft capital. Look at SJ back in the day, Thornton feeding Cheecho and Setoguchi for 50 goals seasons. They flipped those guys and just kept the pipeline going. The Flames need Eichel for this reason alone and he will singlehandedly replace a good amount of the acquisition cost he comes with.

What? Nothing about those trades added to draft capital or pipeline. They traded them with picks for big names.

Cheechoo stays in SJ until he was 28 and done, then they traded a 2nd with him for Dany Heatly…. Pipeline net negative.

They added a first round pick to Setoguchi. For Burns.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Most people who “have sympathy” for a player wouldn’t say “Monahan sucks” and “Monahan is poo poo”. And Monahan was “somewhat effective” when he was younger? Do you mean from 2013-2020 when he scored 22-34 goals every year?

Jeff Skinner scored 40 goals in 2018-19. Do you think Sabres fans who are skeptical he’s still a top-line player today are in the grips of negative bias?

Over the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons, Matt Duchesne scored 119 pts in 141 games (0.84 ppg). Since then, he’s scored 56 pts in 103 games (0.54 ppg). If I were in a hockey pool this season, I’d pencil him in for 0.60 ppg, not 0.85.

Over that same period, Ryan Johansen went from 0.74 ppg to 0.57. I wouldn’t bank on a big bounceback there either.

Richard Rackell had back-to-back 33 and 34 goal seasons in 2016-17 and 2017-18. Last season he had 9 in 52 games and the season before he had 15 in 65. He might bounce back to 30 goal form. But I wouldn’t bet on it.

Players decline. Even players Monahan’s age (none of the players cited above are over 30). A fan doesn’t have to be consumed with hate to conclude Monahan is looking unlikely to regain his form of his early career.