[GT] Calgary Municipal Election 2021

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think that permanent standard time is a bad choice though. The sun rises at 4:30am in the summer and sets earlier...I like the long evenings in July and think they're excellent.



It's funny how we have these "circadian rhythm" concerns with a permanent switch, but it's already in that situation today. Shouldn't we be changing the clocks backward earlier in the fall if that's a big concern? And when we make the change in March we end up waking in darkness again. If anything, what we're doing is letting perfect be in the way of good. The permanent DST move is a good fix for the problem we face. It's not perfect, but it's better than what we have now.

Honestly, I think it's fine to have this opinion. This could have been so easy on the ballot. Pick what you want:

1- DST status quo
2- Full DST
3- No DST

By only offering two of the three options, you get a skewed result.

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[Slava]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Honestly, I think it's fine to have this opinion. This could have been so easy on the ballot. Pick what you want:

1- DST status quo
2- Full DST
3- No DST

By only offering two of the three options, you get a skewed result.

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I'm not gonna lie....when I hear people say "I would've voted for this, but I wanted permanent standard time" it makes me immediately think of the people saying "I would get vaccinated, but I only wanted JNJ". It might not be the same thing, but I just can't help but think that.

And I still stand by my thought that no one can seriously think standard time all summer makes any practical sense.

[Cuz]

I think a two part question would have been appropriate. Something like:

Are you in favour of eliminating DST? Yes/no.

If DST is eliminated which would you prefer, permanent standard time or permanent DST?

[Sliver]

Honestly, not enough people are clear on WTF means sun up earlier or sun down later.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Honestly, I think it's fine to have this opinion. This could have been so easy on the ballot. Pick what you want:

1- DST status quo
2- Full DST
3- No DST

By only offering two of the three options, you get a skewed result.

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But by offering three choices it makes it difficult to get a majority opinion so you would be no further ahead.

Originally Posted by Cuz

I think a two part question would have been appropriate. Something like:

Are you in favour of eliminating DST? Yes/no.

If DST is eliminated which would you prefer, permanent standard time or permanent DST?

Problem from this wording (from my perspective) is there are those not in favor of changing would not want either option for the second part of the question.

[Mazrim]

Special shoutout to Ward 13 for voting in someone who sends out garbage flyers like this. Given this area's federal and provincial voting records it's hardly surprising, and yes, that does matter given how Maclean presented himself.



Nice to know he thinks being "Academic" is a bad thing somehow.

[Flames0910]

I voted no because the right options weren't there, but also on principle because it's a stupid policy to base on public opinion.

Talk to the experts, weigh the pros and cons, and make a decision like we vote you into office to do.

[I feel the same way on Fluoride but voted yes because the scientific consensus is obvious. The consensus on time change is not as obvious so do your jobs and get back to us.]

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Nice to know he thinks being "Academic" is a bad thing somehow.

Its not necessarily a 'Bad Thing' but it isnt necessarily a 'Good Thing' either.

Overly Academic can be akin to 'Divorced from Actual Society.'

Frankly, when I graduated and started working it really taught me about how little University Professors actually know.

"If you were any good at this....you wouldnt be here."

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Slava

I'm not gonna lie....when I hear people say "I would've voted for this, but I wanted permanent standard time" it makes me immediately think of the people saying "I would get vaccinated, but I only wanted JNJ". It might not be the same thing, but I just can't help but think that.

And I still stand by my thought that no one can seriously think standard time all summer makes any practical sense.

That was my thought: "Vote to stop changing the damn clocks, THEN argue over which time we can/should end up on."

[Fuzz]

Ward 4 has its unofficial results and the gap between the incumbent and myself is only 52 votes. We are in the process of making an application for a recount under the Local Authorities Elections Act.
We are very fortunate to live in a democratic society where every vote counts, and we intend to ensure that the voice of every Calgarian in Ward 4 is heard.
As we went throughout every neighbourhood in Ward 4, knocking on more than 11,000 doors and connecting with neighbours, it never escaped me that I was running for my community. They're not going anywhere, so I'm not going anywhere, no matter what the final result is.
Overnight and today, I've received an outpouring of support, including new volunteers and donors. I am humbled and encouraged by your support. I intend to continue working for our communities and supporting the voices that deserve to be heard. Regardless of the final results of this election, we will need to continue counting on your support.

From DJ Kelly email.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think that permanent standard time is a bad choice though. The sun rises at 4:30am in the summer and sets earlier...I like the long evenings in July and think they're excellent.

Whereas I'm fine with the sun going down at 8:55 pm instead of 9:55 in the summer, but I loathe the idea of the sun not rising until ~9:40 am in the winter.

It's funny how we have these "circadian rhythm" concerns with a permanent switch, but it's already in that situation today. Shouldn't we be changing the clocks backward earlier in the fall if that's a big concern? And when we make the change in March we end up waking in darkness again.

Yes, we should change the clocks back earlier in the fall and later in the spring, and we did before 2007! We used to change clocks on the first Sunday in April and last Sunday in October. The US unilaterally decided to change it to the second Sunday in March and first Sunday in November, adding another 4-5 weeks of daylight time in the calendar. Canada and Mexico followed only to keep in sync with them.

This year we "sprang forward" on March 14, making sunrise jump from 6:51 to 7:51 am, and sunset from 6:40 to 7:40 pm. We will "fall back" on November 7, making sunrise shift from 8:39 to 7:39 am, and sunset from 5:59 to 4:59 pm.

If we kept daylight saving time the same as it was prior to 2007, we would have changed on April 4, making sunrise from 6:04 to 7:04 am and sunset 7:14 to 8:14 pm, and October 31, making sunrise from 8:27 to 7:27 am and sunset from 6:11 to 5:11 pm.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Special shoutout to Ward 13 for voting in someone who sends out garbage flyers like this. Given this area's federal and provincial voting records it's hardly surprising, and yes, that does matter given how Maclean presented himself.



Nice to know he thinks being "Academic" is a bad thing somehow.

Seeing as he believes in term limits I assume he will only run one more time? (if he believes in two terms).

[Hack&Lube]

I liked seeing that we have an all-new council and all-new mayor. It seems like a fresh start.

However, I have just read that the Super PAC Calgary's Future actually got in 9 of their preferred candidates voted in through $2 million of campaigning and this is ringing some alarm bells.

Does anybody know anything more about this PAC? I heard they are heavily union backed?

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I liked seeing that we have an all-new council and all-new mayor. It seems like a fresh start.

However, I have just read that the Super PAC Calgary's Future actually got in 9 of their preferred candidates voted in through $2 million of campaigning and this is ringing some alarm bells.

Does anybody know anything more about this PAC? I heard they are heavily union backed?

wasn't this basically a

Lead Calgary vs Calgary's Future election?

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by ajr4013

I don't think I said that and I also wasn't the only one to say it but if you have a better theory as to why the most incompetent councilor with sex assault accusations on him got reelected (barely or not) I'm all ears.

Because people didn't care about the accusations that much? Or maybe they weren't made aware of the accusations at the late hour? Because they felt that his position on issues was more aligned with their views?

Nah, must be "He Asian. They Asian."

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its not necessarily a 'Bad Thing' but it isnt necessarily a 'Good Thing' either.

Overly Academic can be akin to 'Divorced from Actual Society.'

Frankly, when I graduated and started working it really taught me about how little University Professors actually know.

"If you were any good at this....you wouldnt be here."

Frankly I had that thought when I was 18 and started University.

Then I matured and realized how childish a gross oversimplification like that actually is.

It took a few years, but I began to appreciate the bottomless and changing facets of knowledge (in any topic) along with how challenging it is for any one person to teach these topics in an environment where reality is constantly in flux.

At the end of the day knowledge only has value when it is used to do something positive.

There is nothing wrong with being overly academic as long its mechanisms enable, admit, and learn from mistakes without rigid ideology.

Yeah ego and personal agendas can be toxic to these objectives, but is this really any different from any other sector of society?

Divorced from realty is Kenney and his social conservative collection of clowns.

[ajr4013]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Because people didn't care about the accusations that much? Or maybe they weren't made aware of the accusations at the late hour? Because they felt that his position on issues was more aligned with their views?

Nah, must be "He Asian. They Asian."

What does that say though that despite him being an awful councilor who actively hurt the ward (and then the accusations to boot) people still vote for him? "He conservative, I vote for him even if he's an incompetent boob"?

Entirely possible that people voted without knowing the recent allegations. However if people knew and didn't care about him being a alleged predator and still voted for him then there's something very wrong in this ward.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by ajr4013

What does that say though that despite him being an awful councilor who actively hurt the ward (and then the accusations to boot) people still vote for him? "He conservative, I vote for him even if he's an incompetent boob"?

Entirely possible that people voted without knowing the recent allegations. However if people knew and didn't care about him being a alleged predator and still voted for him then there's something very wrong in this ward.

I had heard he is quite active in churches. So maybe he just gets pastors to convince their flock to vote for him? I dunno, it's baffling.

[ajr4013]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I had heard he is quite active in churches. So maybe he just gets pastors to convince their flock to vote for him? I dunno, it's baffling.

Interesting and something I honestly didn't know. Could very well be.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I liked seeing that we have an all-new council and all-new mayor. It seems like a fresh start.

However, I have just read that the Super PAC Calgary's Future actually got in 9 of their preferred candidates voted in through $2 million of campaigning and this is ringing some alarm bells.

Does anybody know anything more about this PAC? I heard they are heavily union backed?

Calgary's Future did indeed endorse a bunch of candidates that were voted in, and yes they were supported by the CUPE and ATU, to the tune of about $1.7M. They're the only Third-Party Advertiser (TPA) to have disclosed any contributions so far (see https://www.calgary.ca/content/dam/w...2020-12-28.pdf). All the registered TPAs have to disclose their donation lists by March 1 next year. (https://www.calgary.ca/election/info...sclosures.html)