[GT] Calgary Municipal Election 2021

[burn_this_city]

I suspect Northern Alberta will vote against permanent DST. Sun wouldn't come up until mid morning in the winter.

[Slava]

The DST vote is so lame. We have more than ample evidence that continually switching our clocks has a lot of negative ramifications and most of North America seems stuck in this "well we'd do it, but not if we have to go first" mentality.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Slava

The DST vote is so lame. We have more than ample evidence that continually switching our clocks has a lot of negative ramifications and most of North America seems stuck in this "well we'd do it, but not if we have to go first" mentality.

Blame the government for not putting the correct choice on the ballot then.

[MoneyGuy]

Do Alberta munis use Dominion machines? I’ve seen a few BS claims this morning of fraud due to manipulation of the machines and that vote audits should be ordered (remind you of anything?).

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Slava

The DST vote is so lame. We have more than ample evidence that continually switching our clocks has a lot of negative ramifications and most of North America seems stuck in this "well we'd do it, but not if we have to go first" mentality.

And we have just as much evidence that going to permanent dst is as bad or worse. So why not stick with the lesser of two evils that doesn’t have a bunch of other negative side effects?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Do Alberta munis use Dominion machines? I’ve seen a few BS claims this morning of fraud due to manipulation of the machines and that vote audits should be ordered (remind you of anything?).

1) Calgary doesn't
2) I kind of wish we did, as they have very recently, and repeatedly, proven to be secure and reliable

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Do Alberta munis use Dominion machines? I’ve seen a few BS claims this morning of fraud due to manipulation of the machines and that vote audits should be ordered (remind you of anything?).

Shouldn’t dominion machines inspire confidence since after many lawsuits and recounts those machines were shown in the US Elections to not have any problems?

I don’t think any other system has been so thoroughly examined.

As a general QC check it would probably be reasonable to hand count a poll per ward to verify hand counts against results.

[Locke]

Oh Chu....

1. Pay and Pension

or....

2. The 'Right Thing.'

Oh yeah...no reputable bookie would take bets on this outcome.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by ajr4013

I hate to say it but at least for Beddington it’s an older, Asian community. I voted Kelly and really hoping somehow these allegations knock Chu out after the fact.

Because as we know, minorities just care that their representatives look like them, and aren't concerned with substantive issues.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by GGG

Shouldn’t dominion machines inspire confidence since after many lawsuits and recounts those machines were shown in the US Elections to not have any problems?

I don’t think any other system has been so thoroughly examined.

As a general QC check it would probably be reasonable to hand count a poll per ward to verify hand counts against results.

You’d think that smart, reasonable people would think that, huh. However….

[timun]

Originally Posted by Slava

The DST vote is so lame. We have more than ample evidence that continually switching our clocks has a lot of negative ramifications and most of North America seems stuck in this "well we'd do it, but not if we have to go first" mentality.

The choices were essentially:

1. stay on Mountain Daylight Time (a.k.a. Central Standard Time) year-round, or,
2. keep the status quo switching between Mountain Standard Time and Mountain Daylight Time

If they added "stay on Mountain Standard Time year-round" as a choice I may have voted that way, but there's no friggin' way I want to be on CST over the winter.

[Mathgod]

52 votes. I think I'm gonna vomit...

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GGG

Blame the government for not putting the correct choice on the ballot then.

I think that permanent standard time is a bad choice though. The sun rises at 4:30am in the summer and sets earlier...I like the long evenings in July and think they're excellent.

It's funny how we have these "circadian rhythm" concerns with a permanent switch, but it's already in that situation today. Shouldn't we be changing the clocks backward earlier in the fall if that's a big concern? And when we make the change in March we end up waking in darkness again. If anything, what we're doing is letting perfect be in the way of good. The permanent DST move is a good fix for the problem we face. It's not perfect, but it's better than what we have now.

[ajr4013]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Because as we know, minorities just care that their representatives look like them, and aren't concerned with substantive issues.

I don't think I said that and I also wasn't the only one to say it but if you have a better theory as to why the most incompetent councilor with sex assault accusations on him got reelected (barely or not) I'm all ears.

[Knut]

I say we split the difference and do a 30 min shift like Newfoundland .

<ducks>

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ajr4013

I don't think I said that and I also wasn't the only one to say it but if you have a better theory as to why the most incompetent councilor with sex assault accusations on him got reelected (barely or not) I'm all ears.

Probably a combination of him being conservative, voting against "downtown" objectives, being a good door-knocker, and a bunch of votes coming in before his sexual assault was brought to light.

It's hard to tell if you meant what you said as it came across, but would it be any more fair to say Gondek or Nenshi only one because of the minorities they represent? Brett Wilson said that once, and came across like an absolute clown. If the fact that he's Asian is the depth of your understanding in the appeal of Chu, you should at least dig deeper, or do a better job of clarifying that isn't what you meant.

[calf]

Originally Posted by Knut

I say we split the difference and do a 30 min shift like Newfoundland .

<ducks>

Honestly - why not?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Knut

I say we split the difference and do a 30 min shift like Newfoundland .

<ducks>

I disagree. We should have a 43 minute shift.

If we're going to do this, lets do this with some good ol' spite!

[ajr4013]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Probably a combination of him being conservative, voting against "downtown" objectives, being a good door-knocker, and a bunch of votes coming in before his sexual assault was brought to light.

It's hard to tell if you meant what you said as it came across, but would it be any more fair to say Gondek or Nenshi only one because of the minorities they represent? Brett Wilson said that once, and came across like an absolute clown. If the fact that he's Asian is the depth of your understanding in the appeal of Chu, you should at least dig deeper, or do a better job of clarifying that isn't what you meant.

Maybe I just don’t get the appeal even with all of that. Maybe all the early votes before the accusations were enough. Maybe his voters just ignore all the bad because it’s conservative or nothing. But I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to say the ward demographics help him a lot.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Slava

The DST vote is so lame. We have more than ample evidence that continually switching our clocks has a lot of negative ramifications and most of North America seems stuck in this "well we'd do it, but not if we have to go first" mentality.

Not really. The problem is with the way the law is written in the States. Currently, you have the choice of either staying on Standard Time for your region year-round or doing the clock switch twice a year. Remaining on DST year-round isn't currently legally allowed (and switching time zones requires approval from the Department of Transportation, so that isn't an option either).

A number of states (including most of the western states) have passed legislation to switch to permanent DST when it becomes federally legal. Legislation has been introduced at the federal level to revise the law to allow for permanent DST, but it has yet to pass.


When/if the federal law is ever changed, I think we'll very quickly see permanent DST adopted throughout most of the continent, especially in the west. BC has also passed legislation to move to permanent DST but only once the west coast States do it.

That's what makes this whole vote such a waste of time. When the rest of the continent (or at least a significant percentage) makes the change, we should do so as well to stay linked with our biggest trade and travel partners. We should not do so out-of-step with the rest, and if this vote does pass, I hope they have the good sense to write it so that it only comes into effect at the same time as BC, which would also be in-line with most of the western states.