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GioforPM · 10-15-2021, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Regardless of qualifications or coaching ability, I don't think giving Sutter carte blanche is a surefire path to success either.

Conroy's been in the league. Heck, he WAS that guy who performed totally differently in a different role (St. Louis #3C vs Calgary #1C). He's a few months removed from TRADING a guy away who performed totally differently in a different role (after coach after coach - including Sutter's brief stint - refused to try it). He's obviously aware of successful organizations who do things the way he described, as someone whose job it is to watch virtually every game everywhere.

Honestly, the fact that there is (yet again) a disconnect on player evaluation between management and coaching philosophies is baffling.

Meh, I’m just not impressed by Conroy. What’s he done in the front office? And he seems to undermine not only Sutter, but Treliving, in his public comments. I suspect Conroy has hit his post playing career ceiling.

As for carte blanche - that’s what a coach, especially one just hired, gets as far as the on lineup goes.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-15-2021, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dino7c

The tweet says Monahan and TWO other premium pieces including Hanifin

Its not just Monahan/Hanifin

assuming they know anything which 99.9% they don't

Sabres ask:

Monahan, Hanifin, Coronato, Zary

Flames Counter:

Monahan, Mangiapane/Dube, JV, Zary Pelletier

Meet at:

Monahan, Andersson, Dube, Zary, 1st 2022

TheoFleury · 10-15-2021, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dino7c

The tweet says Monahan and TWO other premium pieces including Hanifin

Its not just Monahan/Hanifin

assuming they know anything which 99.9% they don't

Yeah that's tough. If so I'd expect buffalo to give us jokiharju or at least Hagg or Butcher. Maybe 2 of the 3, 50% retained. Something lol

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GioforPM · 10-15-2021, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sabres ask:

Monahan, Hanifin, Coronato, Zary

Flames Counter:

Monahan, Mangiapane/Dube, JV, Zary Pelletier

Meet at:

Monahan, Andersson, Dube, Zary, 1st 2022

Man, without Andersson, Monahan, Dube and (for most of the year) Eichel, that 2022 1st is gonna be a high lottery pick.

VladtheImpaler · 10-15-2021, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It’s not uncommon for NHL management and coaches to be at odds over the deployment of young players. Management concern themselves with the long-term development of team assets, while coaches just care about winning the next game.

What’s concerning is when coaches get their way completely on the matter. I wasn’t especially pleased with the Sutter hire, and this just validates my concern that giving a coach who has such a short-term perspective the decisive voice in roster decisions is going to be bad for this franchise.

Without debating "Sutter good/bad" point, I think, given ownership and behind the scenes dynamic, we are in an NFLstyle set-up now, where the coach runs the show, and the GM just fetches stuff that the coach wants. Whether that is for good or ill is a separate debate...

djsFlames · 10-15-2021, 05:51 PM

I feel like the only way we deal Hanifin in a trade for Eichel is if a d-man or developed prospect is coming back with him. That or a side deal is lined up to bring in a solid D from elsewhere.

Enoch Root · 10-15-2021, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Regardless of qualifications or coaching ability, I don't think giving Sutter carte blanche is a surefire path to success either.

Conroy's been in the league. Heck, he WAS that guy who performed totally differently in a different role (St. Louis #3C vs Calgary #1C). He's a few months removed from TRADING a guy away who performed totally differently in a different role (after coach after coach - including Sutter's brief stint - refused to try it). He's obviously aware of successful organizations who do things the way he described, as someone whose job it is to watch virtually every game everywhere.

Honestly, the fact that there is (yet again) a disconnect on player evaluation between management and coaching philosophies is baffling.

Darryl says hi from Chicago.

There is no disconnect. He was asked about disappointments and said - like any Asst GM would - it would have been nice to see more of the kids. He then went on to explain exactly why Sutter did what he did.

Giant nothing-burger

dino7c · 10-15-2021, 05:53 PM

Its funny when people don't realize Darryl was a really good NHLer
40 and 30 goal seasons
20+ 5 times

sa226 · 10-15-2021, 05:53 PM

I mean, you have the coach who's job is to have the team ready for the start of the regular season.

And you have the chatty kathy assistant GM who is in charge of the player development pipeline.

Not much else to see here. I guess we could start a controversy if we wanted to though.

Enoch Root · 10-15-2021, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sabres ask:

Monahan, Hanifin, Coronato, Zary

Flames Counter:

Monahan, Mangiapane/Dube, JV, Zary Pelletier

Meet at:

Monahan, Andersson, Dube, Zary, 1st 2022

Way too much. More like:

Flames' Counter: Monahan, Valimaki, 1st

Meet at: Monahan, Valimaki, 1st, 2nd

or (at most) Monahan, Valimaki, 1st, Pelletier

mile · 10-15-2021, 05:54 PM

Isn't this talk about Sutter not giving young players a chance the reason why he said last week that some fans/media were "full of ####"?

Gawdin and Kylington made the opening day roster. Duehr stayed until the final cuts even though he had next to no pro experience. Sutter said the last 30 players in training camp would be needed at different points this season.

It's not like any of the other prospects made the case that they should be getting looks with NHL players. Ruzicka, Phillips, Pelletier, Petterson... none of them knocked the door down.

As for the rumour about the Sabres wanting Hanifin and Monahan... I doubt it. One of them would be needed as a cap dump, but if Friedman said the Sabres weren't wiling to take package like Gadureau and Tkachuk in a deal, why would Buffalo want Hanifin and Monahan?

Our D needs Hanifin anyways. And if Eichel does come here, having his friend in Hanifin around to help him to adjust to Calgary would be nice.

djsFlames · 10-15-2021, 05:54 PM

Man if those comments which couldn't easily been intended in a way that is not meant to throw shade at Sutter sours you on Conroy then wow, I really don't know what to say.

Except that you're probably reaching.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-15-2021, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Man, without Andersson, Monahan, Dube and (for most of the year) Eichel, that 2022 1st is gonna be a high lottery pick.

I doubt it.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk alone is good enough to keep them afloat.

The goaltending will be solid.

The defense is going to be physical if nothing else.

Say what you will about the Calgary Flames, they know how to finish top-25.

Gaskal · 10-15-2021, 05:55 PM

BurningLeafPodcast had a mock proposal from a Flames perspective

2022 1st
2023 2nd (conditional)
Monahan
Dube
Valimaki
Coronato

God damn that is pricey... but I'd bite the bullet and do it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1425139969723715592

GreenLantern2814 · 10-15-2021, 05:57 PM

I’d sure rather do Monahan, Coronato, Valimaki and Dube than have to include Hanifin or Andersson.

dino7c · 10-15-2021, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaskal

BurningLeafPodcast had a mock proposal from a Flames perspective

2022 1st
2023 2nd (conditional)
Monahan
Dube
Valimaki
Coronato

God damn that is pricey... but I'd bite the bullet and do it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1425139969723715592

IDK, seems too high
Trade all those assets separately you would return a lot

djsFlames · 10-15-2021, 05:57 PM

That is a lot...

If I give up that many pieces I want conditions on that first contingent on Eichels health and/or performance.

And I'd prefer they swap Coronato with Zary or Pelletier.

Sofa GM · 10-15-2021, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Sabres ask:

Monahan, Hanifin, Coronato, Zary

Flames Counter:

Monahan, Mangiapane/Dube, JV, Zary Pelletier

Meet at:

Monahan, Andersson, Dube, Zary, 1st 2022

Wow, that is terrible

jg13 · 10-15-2021, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaskal

BurningLeafPodcast had a mock proposal from a Flames perspective

2022 1st
2023 2nd (conditional)
Monahan
Dube
Valimaki
Coronato

God damn that is pricey... but I'd bite the bullet and do it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1425139969723715592

that 1st is going to be a top 5 pick if we're giving up 3 roster players for a guy who wont play till 2022. I couldn't make that trade

oldschoolcalgary · 10-15-2021, 06:04 PM

that's a lot to give up in a trade... add in the fact that Eichel hasn't had surgery yet, so no one really knows whether he's going to come back at 100%.

if Eichel was never injured, sure, I can see that trade, but for me at least, the unknowns with his surgery should be accounted for in the assets given up.