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cam_wmh · 10-10-2021, 10:32 AM

Yep, Flames likely went hard in the summer, when our assets were a lot more liquid (Gaudreau), and the cap management was easier.

Now, I just don’t see Monahan not having the Sabres on his 10 team no trade clause, nor do I see any reason for him to waive for Buffalo.. His home town being 10 hours away, and across an irritating border crossing, imo, doesn’t change that. That’s currently, the worst run franchise in the league; little appeal

/DebbieDowner

GioforPM · 10-10-2021, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Yep, Flames likely went hard in the summer, when our assets were a lot more liquid (Gaudreau), and the cap management was easier.

Now, I just don’t see Monahan not having the Sabres on his 10 team no trade clause, nor do I see any reason for him to waive for Buffalo.. His home town being 10 hours away, and across an irritating border crossing, imo, doesn’t change that. That’s currently, the worst run franchise in the league; little appeal

/DebbieDowner

His home town is 1.5 hours away from Buffalo, not 10, FWIW.

Gaskal · 10-10-2021, 10:38 AM

Think the holdup is Brisson trying to reason for a few more or better assets in the package. But whatever happens with this trade, he needs to have a good relationship with Adams now and for future negotiations - and from all accounts, so far it is. So he has to go to bat and try to get the best package possible (which I still think is the Flames unless Anaheim go nuts and cough up both of Zegras/Drysdale).

https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabre...81accd09d.html

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Adams has to do a difficult dance here because now that Eichel aligned with Brisson, Adams has to be sure to keep a long-term focus about his relationship with the agent. And not just for any potential free-agent deals with Brisson clients.

The big reason? Brisson serves as the "adviser" for Michigan defenseman Owen Power, the Sabres' No. 1 overall draft pick from July (NCAA players, remember, can't officially have agents). Someday later in this decade, Power might be in the spot where Rasmus Dahlin was this summer, with Brisson negotiating his client's first deal off his entry-level contract.

But this is getting put on a timer now. Adams can be stubborn as he wants but the docs are right, you can't let a pinched nerve in the spine sit like that for too long or you're looking at long term health ramifications, he needs to get this done soon so that the surgery can happen. The pain has been described by Chris Weidman as "someone taking a screwdriver and pushing it into my spinal cord". I imagine even with painkillers life must be miserable for Jack as well, especially if his agent is saying he needs this done "yesterday morning".

Calgary has a few days of practice before their season actually kicks off, so this gives time for Treliving to get something finalized. I'd like to think Eichel's a Flame by the end of the week.

CFO · 10-10-2021, 10:58 AM

I really think flames have a legit chance at the Eichel lotto.

cam_wmh · 10-10-2021, 11:00 AM

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His home town is 1.5 hours away from Buffalo, not 10, FWIW.

Oops. Do you think that changes the dynamic of him waiving?

Dude Where's Makar? · 10-10-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaskal

Think the holdup is Brisson trying to reason for a few more or better assets in the package. But whatever happens with this trade, he needs to have a good relationship with Adams now and for future negotiations - and from all accounts, so far it is. So he has to go to bat and try to get the best package possible (which I still think is the Flames unless Anaheim go nuts and cough up both of Zegras/Drysdale).

https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabre...81accd09d.html

But this is getting put on a timer now. Adams can be stubborn as he wants but the docs are right, you can't let a pinched nerve in the spine sit like that for too long or you're looking at long term health ramifications, he needs to get this done soon so that the surgery can happen. The pain has been described by Chris Weidman as "someone taking a screwdriver and pushing it into my spinal cord". I imagine even with painkillers life must be miserable for Jack as well, especially if his agent is saying he needs this done "yesterday morning".

Calgary has a few days of practice before their season actually kicks off, so this gives time for Treliving to get something finalized. I'd like to think Eichel's a Flame by the end of the week.

Very interesting. As a casual fan you never really think of the "game within the game" when it comes to front offices and agent relationships, etc. Very cool!

I also have this gut feeling that Eichel will be a Flame.

ComixZone · 10-10-2021, 11:03 AM

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I really think flames have a legit chance at the Eichel lotto.

Hope is also creeping back into my hockey heart on this. I feel like before the start of the season Eichel is going to be traded to Calgary or Anaheim (or because they’re the worst and least deserving, Vegas).

Heavy Jack · 10-10-2021, 11:04 AM

More thoughts on the Monahan/Buffalo topic and the no-trade aspect of that. If Buffalo was on Monahan’s no trade list I could see him waiving as 1.5 hours away (about a 20 minute flight) is actually a big deal for him to consider as he actually lives in Brampton in the off-season and family could easily come to a lot more games if that’s something that would matter to him. He’d also be ‘the guy’ on a rebuilding Sabers team which isn’t such a bad gig as he’d most likely be playing with their top young wingers and in all situations to help build his brand; most likely he could be flipped to a contender at some point ahead of his contract season to really cash in. Monahan holds the cards no doubt but he could play them in his favour if he accepted a trade to Buffalo to try and build his stock ahead of UFA 22/23. It’s not such a far fetched idea. Monahan is a really good get for Buffalo in a package deal because the extra year on his contract gives them time to build his value and flip for even more futures which is Adam’s biggest desire in a trade for Eichel. He’s running out of options and say what you want about Monahan but the guy has scored 30 goals multiple times in this league and when he’s healthy is a top line Center on more than a few teams in this league and definitely carries value even if his stock is currently low, he is only still just 26 and is criminally underrated on here especially as it relates to Eichel speculation and Monahan being part of the returning package.

Tkachukwagon · 10-10-2021, 11:06 AM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1447246308423708672

Heavy Jack · 10-10-2021, 11:12 AM

Jfresh is on board

When healthy…

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Coleman
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Lewis - Richardson
Duehr, Gawdin, Ritchie

My god that’s a crazy deep top 9

Monahan + Valimaki + Pelletier + 22 1st (top 3 protected) gets it done?

Samonadreau · 10-10-2021, 11:15 AM

I love all these Monahan to Buffalo proposals when there's a 99% chance they're on his No trade.

Scroopy Noopers · 10-10-2021, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I love all these Monahan to Buffalo proposals when he there's a 99% chance they're on his No trade.

Not to mention for cap structure he would make more sense to keep than Tkachuk. How are we going to have Eichel with Gaudreau and Tkachuk on their new $8.5-$9 mil deals?

Heavy Jack · 10-10-2021, 11:22 AM

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I love all these Monahan to Buffalo proposals when there's a 99% chance they're on his No trade.

Listed some valid points as to why he might consider a trade to Buffalo and you’re welcome to speak to them as opposed to just stating an already spoken assumption. Yes we know Monahan has a list and there a good chance Buffalo is on it as a no go but they’ve been waived before. It’s not a ground breaking thought to consider Monahan could consider waiving to Buffalo and see it as a better opportunity to grow his stock ahead of his contract year. He’s lost the #1 Center spot here but would undoubtedly have it back there. It’s close to home which is attractive on a personal level. He most likely plays himself into a position of going to a contender for a shot at a cup ahead of his UFA year as well. Lots for Monahan to consider when looking at Buffalo as a destination and I don’t think it’s as simple as your indirect tongue in cheek response to the notion of a Monahan package deal for Eichel.

Pickle Juice · 10-10-2021, 11:24 AM

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I love all these Monahan to Buffalo proposals when there's a 99% chance they're on his No trade.

I highly doubt Money would still be on the sabres by the end of the year. If he’s going to be dealt to a contender then that might entice him to say yes. Also there is a bunch of posters here who mention Buffalo is very close there he lives?

Samonadreau · 10-10-2021, 11:27 AM

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Listed some valid points as to why he might consider a trade to Buffalo and you’re welcome to speak to them as opposed to just stating an already spoken assumption. Yes we know Monahan has a list and there a good chance Buffalo is on it as a no go but they’ve been waived before. It’s not a ground breaking thought to consider Monahan could consider waiving to Buffalo and see it as a better opportunity to grow his stock ahead of his contract year. He’s lost the #1 Center spot here but would undoubtedly have it back there. It’s close to home which is attractive on a personal level. He most likely plays himself into a position of going to a contender for a shot at a cup ahead of his UFA year as well. Lots for Monahan to consider when looking at Buffalo as a destination and I don’t think it’s as simple as your indirect tongue in cheek response to the notion of a Monahan package deal for Eichel.

Wasn't directed specifically at you, and wasn't tongue and cheek. I dont think anybody has to 'speak' to the reasons why Buffalo would be on someone's No trade. And yes its closer to home, but also in the States where travel to/from Canada is probably harder than Calgary right now.

Vinny01 · 10-10-2021, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I love all these Monahan to Buffalo proposals when there's a 99% chance they're on his No trade.

My opinion has been for a while that if the Flames were going to pull off an Eichel trade that a third and maybe fourth team would need to be involved.

If Buffalo immediately flips Monahan at 50% retained to another team and also takes on a bad co tract perhaps they get multiple high picks and prospects?

Maybe a deal like this:

To CGY: Eichel
To Bos: Monahan(50% retain/Buff)
To Buff: Valimaki, Coronato, Debrusk, Flames 1st, Bruins 1st, Flames 2nd, Bruins 2nd

Vinny01 · 10-10-2021, 11:33 AM

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Not to mention for cap structure he would make more sense to keep than Tkachuk. How are we going to have Eichel with Gaudreau and Tkachuk on their new $8.5-$9 mil deals?

All in this year and then Tkachuk is traded in the offseason for primarily futures makes a lot of sense to me. In order to add Eichel and give raises to Gaudreau and Mangiapane then I think multiple big cap hits need to move next season

Heavy Jack · 10-10-2021, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Wasn't directed specifically at you, and wasn't tongue and cheek. I dont think anybody has to 'speak' to the reasons why Buffalo would be on someone's No trade. And yes its closer to home, but also in the States where travel to/from Canada is probably harder than Calgary right now.

Sure but how many times does Buffalo come through Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal? His family would have many more opportunities to watch Sean than the few times they come to Calgary to see him. Regardless I’d say this would be a small aspect to the consideration of waiving and most likely be seen as a perk to doing so. If Monahan covets ice time and roles Buffalo all of the sudden becomes an enticing consideration and allows him to bet on himself. It’s also a guarantee that he gets flipped whether it’s at this trade deadline or next and will find himself in a position for a real shot at a cup. Teams like Boston, Vegas and NYR will be looking at all in moves if they progress like they should this year and Monahan could find himself on one of those teams. It comes down to his decision obviously this is why players negotiate no trade clauses in the first place but it allows him time to consider things and I’ve no doubt Monahan would way his options if he’s posed with a trade to Buffalo.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-10-2021, 11:37 AM

EiCHeL

Gaskal · 10-10-2021, 11:38 AM

Besides the issues of the surgery debate, remember Brisson also has to look out for all of the other things a high-profile superstar client would want in a new playing environment as well, and the Flames are a very good landing spot for Jack despite being in the pressure cooker of a Canadian market.

Gets to play with his bud Hanifin, line up with two other potential Team USA superstar linemates (did I mention he really, really wants to play in the Olympics) in Gaudreau and Tkachuk, new Cup winning coach in Sutter, legit goalie, multiple previous Cup winners on the team.