[News] Josh Archibald out indefinitely due to Myocarditis caused by Covid

[Buff]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Soooo.... Does Josh Archibald really have a heart condition or is that what the Oilers are calling "He needs to have a change of heart, but refuses"?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Roger

Lol. Didn’t know I had to list everyone I think is an idiot when I complain about one specific idiot in a thread about said idiot.

Have a look at Chemgear’s post ^ and tell me that an NHL player doesn’t have any influence on young (or stupid) minds. He’s spreading misinformation, and fricken Covid. Bother are deadly, and I would prefer him to die rather than your sick parent that needs a bed in the hospital because of an illness they incurred through the crappy luck of the draw, instead of willful ignorance.

I’m fighting for your loved ones as much as my own.

what fight? are you doing anything else other than typing angry words on CP?

other than those two tweets almost 18 months ago, nobody from what I see has found anything else. And I actually don't think some fringe NHL player has much influence over anyone, except perhaps someone who already agrees with him.

I actually agree with you in general, but think you go way to far in your rhetoric.

It's funny to find myself in way defending Archibald as I do believe he has harmful views and is an idiot. going back to the drunk driver analogy brought forth, I guess I'd rather they go to jail than get thrown in front of a moving train.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Ouch. From HF Oilers board:

Does this qualify for the Herman Cain Award ?

Originally Posted by rotten42

not yet.....

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainA...g_antivax_nhl/

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainA...g_antivax_nhl/

GD, that top comment:

Guessing he was the right winger?

[Robo]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainA...g_antivax_nhl/

I have an unusual obsession with that reddit page have also told a couple anti vaxxers to take a look because they literally post the exact same memes as these award winners, yet they claim to think for themselves

[chemgear]

Maybe I missed seeing this in the thread but I guess he was the last antivaxx holdout.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...art-condition/

Archibald was the last player on a Canadian NHL team to remain unvaccinated, which would have been very problematic had the Oilers planned to keep him in their lineup. Every time the team crossed the U.S. border and then returned to Canada — 13 times this season — Archibald would have been forced to quarantine for 14 days, away from his team and teammates.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

My wife is an ER nurse. I have no problem wishing ill on militant anti-vaxxers. If you have a medical reason for not getting vaccinated as my sister does I get that. But if you’re showing up at hospitals and spitting on people who are trying to save lives or supporting that kind of crowd you can rot in hell.

I agree but there is a big difference between someone not wanting the vaccine and harassing docs and nurses outside hospitals and spitting at people.

[Roger]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

what fight? are you doing anything else other than typing angry words on CP?

other than those two tweets almost 18 months ago, nobody from what I see has found anything else. And I actually don't think some fringe NHL player has much influence over anyone, except perhaps someone who already agrees with him.

I actually agree with you in general, but think you go way to far in your rhetoric.

It's funny to find myself in way defending Archibald as I do believe he has harmful views and is an idiot. going back to the drunk driver analogy brought forth, I guess I'd rather they go to jail than get thrown in front of a moving train.

Jesus christ. Let me say this as sarcastically as My Cousin Vinny when hes says YOUUUUUTHS. The fight = the argument. I'm ARGUING against idiots that think they're smarter than doctors and scientists. And yeah, I guess I'm banging away on my keyboard to a bunch of strangers about other strangers, so you sure got me there, but this is because I'm so sick of how far this has gone, and how window licking...unsmart some people are on the anti vax side.

Is it outrageous that I want someone to die? Yes. But when you put it in context, it's that I'd PREFER that he dies over my friend's mom that has curable cancer, if she gets proper treatment. It's that I'd PREFER that he dies over dude on the news with young kids who got into a vehicle collision.

If you seriously want to argue semantics instead of understanding my point, that's your choice. I'm really sorry I hurt your feelings by actually coming right out and saying that yes, I do think that anti vax idiots should be the ones kicked out of the hospital, for the good of the ones being responsible and doing their part to curb this stupid ass virus.

I hope other anti vax pro athletes see what happened to this moron and get their heads out of their asses. Have fun with your busted heart, Josh. You complete f-ing moron. You did this to yourself. Reap what you sow. Lie in the bed you made. I wouldn't cry if that bed was a coffin, because you're an idiot.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I agree but there is a big difference between someone not wanting the vaccine and harassing docs and nurses outside hospitals and spitting at people.

Guys like Archibald perpetuate and feed the problem by using their podium to give breath to lies, falsehoods and conspiracy theories. They may not be present at hospitals and spitting on health care workers, but they provide support by proxy. I know of an elderly couple personally who bought into the anti-vax bull#### and they influenced other family members into believing covid is a hoax and the vaccine is as well. They ended up catching covid from their unvaccinated granddaughter. The grandfather ended up on a ventilator and suffered cognitive harm from his ordeal. He lost his ability for independent living. The grandmother is on life support and not expected to live. That’s the sort of reality that results when idiots like Archibald use their bull horn to spread misinformation, so he is as guilty as the those spitting on health care workers as far as I’m concerned. In this world of celebrity worship, people are influenced by guys like Archibald. Yeah, he’s a small time celebrity, but he still has some name brand recognition. People want to hear #### that supports the narrative they want to believe. Guys like Archibald provide that.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

Guys like Archibald perpetuate and feed the problem by using their podium to give breath to lies, falsehoods and conspiracy theories. They may not be present at hospitals and spitting on health care workers, but they provide support by proxy. I know of an elderly couple personally who bought into the anti-vax bull#### and they influenced other family members into believing covid is a hoax and the vaccine is as well. They ended up catching covid from their unvaccinated granddaughter. The grandfather ended up on a ventilator and suffered cognitive harm from his ordeal. He lost his ability for independent living. The grandmother is on life support and not expected to live. That’s the sort of reality that results when idiots like Archibald use their bull horn to spread misinformation, so he is as guilty as the those spitting on health care workers as far as I’m concerned. In this world of celebrity worship, people are influenced by guys like Archibald. Yeah, he’s a small time celebrity, but he still has some name brand recognition. People want to hear #### that supports the narrative they want to believe. Guys like Archibald provide that.

So the elderly couple aren’t responsible for their actions? It’s archibalds fault? He made two tweets in may , if that convinced or changed someone’s mind I would think that person was going to believe it anyways. If you get medical info from a hockey player that says a lot about you.
If the elderly couple are anti vaccine then a couple people on here are hoping they die. They were part of the problem, or is it just anti vaccine celebrities? Were the elderly couple on Twitter?

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

Guys like Archibald perpetuate and feed the problem by using their podium to give breath to lies, falsehoods and conspiracy theories. They may not be present at hospitals and spitting on health care workers, but they provide support by proxy. I know of an elderly couple personally who bought into the anti-vax bull#### and they influenced other family members into believing covid is a hoax and the vaccine is as well. They ended up catching covid from their unvaccinated granddaughter. The grandfather ended up on a ventilator and suffered cognitive harm from his ordeal. He lost his ability for independent living. The grandmother is on life support and not expected to live. That’s the sort of reality that results when idiots like Archibald use their bull horn to spread misinformation, so he is as guilty as the those spitting on health care workers as far as I’m concerned. In this world of celebrity worship, people are influenced by guys like Archibald. Yeah, he’s a small time celebrity, but he still has some name brand recognition. People want to hear #### that supports the narrative they want to believe. Guys like Archibald provide that.

Are you arguing that an anti-vaxer who harasses staff outside of a hospital and spits at people is the same as an anti-vaxer who keeps to himself and does none of that? I’m not defending Archibald - just saying that he doesn’t do any of that (should be) criminal nonsense.

[Roger]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

So the elderly couple aren’t responsible for their actions?

Yes, they are. And they're paying the price right now

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

It’s archibalds fault?

No, what's Archibald's fault is that he has f-ed himself out of an NHL job.

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

He made two tweets in may , if that convinced or changed someone’s mind I would think that person was going to believe it anyways. If you get medical info from a hockey player that says a lot about you.

People with influence spreading lies are a problem, whether it's hockey players or grandparents.

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

If the elderly couple are anti vaccine then a couple people on here are hoping they die.

I assume this is directed at me. I would prefer that people that need hospital/ICU because of other reasons get the beds, instead of anti-vax covid idiots. However, I do concede that I insinuated, and actually outright feel ok, with anti vax people dying of Covid, if it means that someone that is not voluntarily sick, gets to survive. But hey, if you want to know how I really feel, I will say that I'm also ok with anti vax people straight up dying, and not taxing our health care system at all. Skip the ICU and box 'em up. ICU is for people that didn't put themselves there willfully, ignorantly, and idiotically. Archibald falls in this category. Not because he's a hockey player, or a grandparent, but because he's an idiot that could have prevented this, and chose not to.

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

They were part of the problem, or is it just anti vaccine celebrities? Were the elderly couple on Twitter?

Thick as pig crap.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

So the elderly couple aren’t responsible for their actions? It’s archibalds fault? He made two tweets in may , if that convinced or changed someone’s mind I would think that person was going to believe it anyways. If you get medical info from a hockey player that says a lot about you.
If the elderly couple are anti vaccine then a couple people on here are hoping they die. They were part of the problem, or is it just anti vaccine celebrities? Were the elderly couple on Twitter?

What kind of a simplistic take is this?

This is so much more complex than the points you're making. Archibald's actions add to a plethora of other people's actions that create mistrust of establishments (especially scientists) and a dissemination of misinformation. He's obviously not solely responsible, the same way each of us is not solely responsible for climate change. But each individual's actions add to the pile, and it creates a cultural/social problem that leads to people like that elderly couple making a stupid ####ing decision.

We are integrated together. None of us lives separate from another. What any of us do affects another. How do you not get this?

[Oil Stain]

Would be nice if guys like Archibald who suffer the consequences of being misinformed, would get on their media platforms and speak out about how wrong they were.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

What kind of a simplistic take is this?

This is so much more complex than the points you're making. Archibald's actions add to a plethora of other people's actions that create mistrust of establishments (especially scientists) and a dissemination of misinformation. He's obviously not solely responsible, the same way each of us is not solely responsible for climate change. But each individual's actions add to the pile, and it creates a cultural/social problem that leads to people like that elderly couple making a stupid ####ing decision.

We are integrated together. None of us lives separate from another. What any of us do affects another. How do you not get this?

How do you not understand the the point I am making is that we shouldn't be wishing death on people, I'm not in support of Archibald, I find it offensive when people wish death on others.

I'm also trying to understand how Archibald is spreading misinformation and the elderly couple made a "stupid decision", the poster even said the elderly couple convinced others to not get the vaccine, sounds just as bad as Archibald. I don't understand how they get a pass and Archibald doesn't?

[Roger]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

How do you not understand the the point I am making is that we shouldn't be wishing death on people, I'm not in support of Archibald, I find it offensive when people wish death on others.

I'm also trying to understand how Archibald is spreading misinformation and the elderly couple made a "stupid decision", the poster even said the elderly couple convinced others to not get the vaccine, sounds just as bad as Archibald. I don't understand how they get a pass and Archibald doesn't?

Thick as pig crap.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Roger

Yes, they are. And they're paying the price right now

No, what's Archibald's fault is that he has f-ed himself out of an NHL job.


People with influence spreading lies are a problem, whether it's hockey players or grandparents.


I assume this is directed at me. I would prefer that people that need hospital/ICU because of other reasons get the beds, instead of anti-vax covid idiots. However, I do concede that I insinuated, and actually outright feel ok, with anti vax people dying of Covid, if it means that someone that is not voluntarily sick, gets to survive. But hey, if you want to know how I really feel, I will say that I'm also ok with anti vax people straight up dying, and not taxing our health care system at all. Skip the ICU and box 'em up. ICU is for people that didn't put themselves there willfully, ignorantly, and idiotically. Archibald falls in this category. Not because he's a hockey player, or a grandparent, but because he's an idiot that could have prevented this, and chose not to.

Thick as pig crap.

I can respect your opinion a little more if it applies to every antivaxxer regardless of if they are a hockey player or grand parent, but I guess I'm thick as pig crap

[Icantwhisper]

This thread is exhausting, you know what, you changed my mind, I hope he dies too!

[Roger]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I can respect your opinion a little more if it applies to every antivaxxer regardless of if they are a hockey player or grand parent

It does

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

but I guess I'm thick as pig crap

The fact that I have to type this out so slowly? You are.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Roger

It does

The fact that I have to type this out so slowly? You are.

You are without a doubt, a quality human being.
And a shining example of COVID bringing out the worst in people, or just bringing the worst people out.