[News] Josh Archibald out indefinitely due to Myocarditis caused by Covid

[TorqueDog]

^GhostCookie nailed it. I'm not wishing ill on Archibald, but there is no way in hell I am feeling anything approaching sympathy for his stupid situation. He's been complicit in pushing the kinds of narratives that are resulting in our hospitals being overwhelmed with these idiots. He's now experiencing the consequences of his bullsh-t peddling that countless others have had to deal with. He had a chance to do the right thing and didn't just refuse to take it, he actively went in the other direction. Tough sh-t.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Southern_Canuck

I believe there are two categories for people that choose not to get vaccinated:

Category 1) The person chooses not to get vaccinated, either because they are afraid of vaccinations, have a medical condition, or have been brain-washed by youtube ranters - however they follow health guidelines, avoiding unnecessary contact with others, washing their hands frequently, wear masks in public places, and avoid indoor events/restaurants.

Category 2) The person chooses not to get vaccinated, either because they are afraid of vaccinations, have a medical condition, or have been brain-washed by youtube ranters - but they do not follow health guidelines, they spread misinformation, and complain about restrictions on unvaccinated people.

Category 1... OK, fine.

Category 2? Stupid, selfish, and not fit to be in a community.

I think what Category 2 doesn't have the mental capacity to understand, is that - well, lets's say we are in this exact same pandemic, with a readily available vaccine, but 100% of people chose not to get the vaccine... well, with this Delta variant it is easy to see that the nation would be in complete lockdown to reduce deaths. No restaurants, no indoor sports events or concerts, no church, etc.

The only reason that the country can be as open as it is today is solely because of the people who have chosen to become vaccinated.

S_C

Most of those people are too selfish to even consider them being the one to do something for the collective good, so they'd rather the entire country suffer than them take a tiny bit of personalty responsibility for the ####-stew we find ourselves in.

[MoneyGuy]

I’m an Oilers fan and Archibald is a moron. I don’t wish him ill but I don’t want him around the team, although he’s a useful player.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

although he’s a useful player.

The minors of full of guys like him.

He is nothing special and can be easily replaced.

[MoneyGuy]

He’s a good penalty killer, but you’re right that he’s easily replaceable.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

First sentence of Wikipedia on Facism: Facism is a form of far-right authoritarian ultranationalism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

*sigh*

The Nazis were ‘far-right’ in Germany in the 1930s. But they would have been left of centre in almost any other country. They believed in a centrally directed economy, a cradle-to-grave welfare state, the mass regimentation of society, the abolition of personal liberty, etc., etc. Business owners under the Nazis were not allowed to sell their businesses or withdraw profits beyond a nominal amount, and every business transaction had to be approved by a whole gamut of Reich Ministries, ostensibly because of the war effort (years before the war started). To get permission for a single export transaction, a business had to file over 40 official forms and wait for the bureaucracy to issue the permits. (There is an excellent book on this subject, called Vampire Economy, but I don't recall the author's name offhand.)

The biggest differences between the Nazis and the German Communist Party were (a) the Communists wanted to shoot the capitalist business owners, whereas the Nazis kept them on as high-salaried servants, and (b) the Communists wanted the world to be run from Moscow, where the Nazis wanted to run it from Berlin.

So what made the Nazis right-wing by German standards? This kind of massive state interference in every aspect of daily and economic life was routine in Germany, and had been since Bismarck unified the country in the 1870s. The German right wing wanted the system to be run by the Army with a restored Kaiser at the head, the left wing wanted it run by civilian bureaucrats (and the Communist Party wanted Stalin at the head). But they both wanted the same system. No party that would be called ‘right-wing’ in any Western European country had any significant following.

The Italian Fascists, on the other hand, were merely [name of bird used in Swiss clocks which is stupidly censored by the CP profanity filter]. Mussolini was an ex-Socialist who discovered during World War I that it was easier to stir people up with appeals to patriotism than with guff about the international proletariat. The Soviet propaganda machine labelled him ‘far-right’ because he did not take orders from Moscow, but they also called Trotsky ‘far-right’ for the same reason and actually labelled his followers ‘Trotsky-Fascists’. It was purely a propaganda exercise designed to keep Communist Party members and fellow-travellers from defecting to a different party.

OK, we now return you to your regularly scheduled virtual lynch mob.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

*sigh*

The Nazis were ‘far-right’ in Germany in the 1930s. But they would have been left of centre in almost any other country. They believed in a centrally directed economy, a cradle-to-grave welfare state, the mass regimentation of society, the abolition of personal liberty, etc., etc. Business owners under the Nazis were not allowed to sell their businesses or withdraw profits beyond a nominal amount, and every business transaction had to be approved by a whole gamut of Reich Ministries, ostensibly because of the war effort (years before the war started). To get permission for a single export transaction, a business had to file over 40 official forms and wait for the bureaucracy to issue the permits. (There is an excellent book on this subject, called Vampire Economy, but I don't recall the author's name offhand.)

The biggest differences between the Nazis and the German Communist Party were (a) the Communists wanted to shoot the capitalist business owners, whereas the Nazis kept them on as high-salaried servants, and (b) the Communists wanted the world to be run from Moscow, where the Nazis wanted to run it from Berlin.

So what made the Nazis right-wing by German standards? This kind of massive state interference in every aspect of daily and economic life was routine in Germany, and had been since Bismarck unified the country in the 1870s. The German right wing wanted the system to be run by the Army with a restored Kaiser at the head, the left wing wanted it run by civilian bureaucrats (and the Communist Party wanted Stalin at the head). But they both wanted the same system. No party that would be called ‘right-wing’ in any Western European country had any significant following.

The Italian Fascists, on the other hand, were merely [name of bird used in Swiss clocks which is stupidly censored by the CP profanity filter]. Mussolini was an ex-Socialist who discovered during World War I that it was easier to stir people up with appeals to patriotism than with guff about the international proletariat. The Soviet propaganda machine labelled him ‘far-right’ because he did not take orders from Moscow, but they also called Trotsky ‘far-right’ for the same reason and actually labelled his followers ‘Trotsky-Fascists’. It was purely a propaganda exercise designed to keep Communist Party members and fellow-travellers from defecting to a different party.

OK, we now return you to your regularly scheduled virtual lynch mob.

Both the Nazis and the Fascists left Capitalism in place, maintained private ownership of the means of production, the stock market and all other forms of non 'work' related wealth accumalation, they were in no way left wing in any way we would normally accept, in fact Germany probably lost the war because it never 'nationalised' production unlike the UK or US

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Have I just been sent back in time to grade 8 social studies?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Have I just been sent back in time to grade 8 social studies?

Falling asleep to uninteresting discussions? Yup!

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Falling asleep to uninteresting discussions? Yup!

I had the same teacher for Social Studies in grade 7, 8 and 9. I learned nothing. He was the most boring and monochromatic person I've ever met. Ben Stein's characters in The Wonder Years and Ferris Beuler were way more exciting to listen to.

[dino7c]

Hitler is no good?

[AltaGuy]

The problem with the Nazis is that they weren't right-wing enough. That's how I understood that ridiculous Jay Random post above.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

*sigh*

The Nazis were ‘far-right’ in Germany in the 1930s. But they would have been left of centre in almost any other country. They believed in a centrally directed economy, a cradle-to-grave welfare state, the mass regimentation of society, the abolition of personal liberty, etc., etc. Business owners under the Nazis were not allowed to sell their businesses or withdraw profits beyond a nominal amount, and every business transaction had to be approved by a whole gamut of Reich Ministries, ostensibly because of the war effort (years before the war started). To get permission for a single export transaction, a business had to file over 40 official forms and wait for the bureaucracy to issue the permits. (There is an excellent book on this subject, called Vampire Economy, but I don't recall the author's name offhand.)

The biggest differences between the Nazis and the German Communist Party were (a) the Communists wanted to shoot the capitalist business owners, whereas the Nazis kept them on as high-salaried servants, and (b) the Communists wanted the world to be run from Moscow, where the Nazis wanted to run it from Berlin.

So what made the Nazis right-wing by German standards? This kind of massive state interference in every aspect of daily and economic life was routine in Germany, and had been since Bismarck unified the country in the 1870s. The German right wing wanted the system to be run by the Army with a restored Kaiser at the head, the left wing wanted it run by civilian bureaucrats (and the Communist Party wanted Stalin at the head). But they both wanted the same system. No party that would be called ‘right-wing’ in any Western European country had any significant following.

The Italian Fascists, on the other hand, were merely [name of bird used in Swiss clocks which is stupidly censored by the CP profanity filter]. Mussolini was an ex-Socialist who discovered during World War I that it was easier to stir people up with appeals to patriotism than with guff about the international proletariat. The Soviet propaganda machine labelled him ‘far-right’ because he did not take orders from Moscow, but they also called Trotsky ‘far-right’ for the same reason and actually labelled his followers ‘Trotsky-Fascists’. It was purely a propaganda exercise designed to keep Communist Party members and fellow-travellers from defecting to a different party.

OK, we now return you to your regularly scheduled virtual lynch mob.

There's nothing incompatible between far-right ideology and central control of the economy and robust welfare states. I'm puzzled why you'd think that.

That's not to say that communism and facism/Nazism don't have significant similarities (rejection of liberalism/democracy, totalitarian governments, vanguardism, etc.). But the differences in philosophy around classes (and class struggle), the role and rights of the workers, ownership of the means of production and capital, views towards tradition and national myths, internationalism vs. autarky, views on family structures and the roles of women/gender roles, etc. is so divergent, that to pretend that fascists and communists are two sides of the same coin or that Nazism would be a left wing movement in any other country is comical. Many of the central tenets of Nazi philosophy (mythical national past, traditional views on family, subjugation of trade unions and workers' rights, etc.) are deeply conservative principles.

[CroFlames]

Can we please just stop with the damn Nazis. Screw those guys.



Archibald is a dummy and the Oilers suck.

[Red_Baron]

I've lost track, is Archibald a Fascist, a Nazi, or a Communist?

And are any of those actually worse than being an oiler?

E=NG

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

The vaccine also is a major risk factor for myocarditis. Not saying he shouldn't get it but this could happen with covid and the vaccine.

Pump the brakes on the major there man. Its a risk, yes, but significantly lower than COVID itself.

Allow me to point out to you what else causes myocarditis.

Causes
Often, the cause of myocarditis isn't identified. There are many potential causes but the risk of developing myocarditis is rare.

Potential causes of myocarditis include:

Viruses. Many viruses are commonly associated with myocarditis, including the viruses that cause the common cold (adenovirus); COVID-19; hepatitis B and C; parvovirus, which causes a mild rash, usually in children (fifth disease); and herpes simplex virus.

Gastrointestinal infections (echoviruses), mononucleosis (Epstein-Barr virus) and German measles (rubella) also can cause myocarditis. It's also common in people with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Bacteria. Bacteria that can cause myocarditis include staphylococcus, streptococcus, the bacterium that causes diphtheria and the tick-borne bacterium responsible for Lyme disease.

Parasites. Among these are such parasites as Trypanosoma cruzi and toxoplasma, including some that are transmitted by insects and can cause a condition called Chagas disease. Chagas disease is much more common in Central and South America than in the United States, but it can occur in travelers and in immigrants from that part of the world.

Fungi. Yeast infections, such as candida; molds, such as aspergillus; and other fungi, such as histoplasma, often found in bird droppings, can sometimes cause myocarditis, particularly in people with weakened immune systems.

Myocarditis also sometimes occurs if you're exposed to:

Medications or illegal drugs that might cause an allergic or toxic reaction. These include drugs used to treat cancer; antibiotics, such as penicillin and sulfonamide drugs; some anti-seizure medications; and some illegal substances, such as cocaine.

Chemicals or radiation. Exposure to certain chemicals, such as carbon monoxide, and radiation can sometimes cause myocarditis.
Other diseases. These include disorders such as lupus, Wegener's granulomatosis, giant cell arteritis and Takayasu's arteritis.

Don't make myocarditis out to be unique to the COVID vaccine, there's plenty of myocarditis to go around, and COVID increases your risk of it many more times over much of the above. Lesser of the evils

[MonaTone]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

I've lost track, is Archibald a Fascist, a Nazi, or a Communist?

And are any of those actually worse than being an oiler?

E=NG

This is the real question I need answered, where on the political spectrum does one find a dumpster fire covered in urine?

I want to be the polar opposite of whatever that is.

[Reggie Dunlop]

What about Falangists?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by MonaTone

This is the real question I need answered, where on the political spectrum does one find a dumpster fire covered in urine?

I want to be the polar opposite of whatever that is.

That urine must be really high proof for it to keep the dumpster fire going. Most urine would put it out.

Regardless, what a mess.

[3rd line Grinder]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

What about Falangists?

Although everybody expected them to side with the extreme right, they kinda just stay neutral in the argument and eventually help the losers escape the aftermath. All the while being neutralized and usurped from within by other conservative elements.