[News] Josh Archibald out indefinitely due to Myocarditis caused by Covid

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The Rhino party is formed by actual rhinos?

This, henceforth, will be my go-to reply to such a ridiculous assertion. Thank you.

[Macindoc]

Wow, you can tell from many of the responses here that COVID-19 and the restrictions put it place to reduce its spread are causing a lot of stress and anxiety, and that's resulting in a lot of anger and resentment, which is understandable. But let's continue to try to be respectful of and kind to one another, even if opinions differ. That's not to say that someone posting inaccurate information about COVID-19 or the vaccines shouldn't be called out for what they post.

I certainly feel compassion for Archibald, regardless of his views. I can only hope that his experience will cause him to rethink his position on COVID-19 and vaccines, and hopefully he will become an advocate who reaches out to the unvaccinated, having been there himself. As others have said, although pericarditis can happen with both the vaccine and with COVID-19 infection, the risk is significantly higher if you actually get COVID-19, and the risk that the pericarditis will be more severe and have more long-term implications is much higher if you get the infection than if you get the vaccine.

Personally, I think that if anyone is going to get an adverse reaction from the vaccine, they were going to have that reaction anyway, because realistically, anyone who isn't vaccinated is going to get COVID-19 (as well as some who are vaccinated, but less severe). The myocarditis is probably caused by some rare cross-reactivity between the heart and the spike protein. In terms of the unlikely event of getting myocarditis, you basically have a choice between having your body produce the protein in a controlled fashion (with the vaccine) or having your body produce it in a fashion dictated by the virus, with a much higher load of the protein (through infection), and this is probably why you are more likely to get pericarditis with infection with the virus and why it's more likely to be severe. Not to mention that with the mRNA to produce the entire viral particle, infection with the virus has the ability to cause all of the other adverse conditions associated with the virus and the ability to spread to others, which you do not get with the vaccine.

Bottom line: get the vaccine. You can't avoid having the spike protein in your system and the very remote risk that it could lead to myocarditis, but you can choose the circumstances in which your body is producing the protein and the amount that your body is producing, so if you're worried about the risk, best to get the vaccine so at least the risk is lower than it would otherwise be.

Think of it this way: if you have a skin lesion that looks like a malignant melanoma and knowing that there's always the possibility of something bad happening, you have to choose someone to cut it out, who would you hand the scalpel to, a plastic surgeon (the vaccine), or a serial killer (COVID-19)?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Itse

Not all who haven't gotten a vaccine are anti-vaxxers, especially among the young there's a lot of people who just don't take the risk seriously.

My son went to go to a movie with his friends. He had is proof of vaccine with him and could have gone into the movie. His friends didn't have proof of vaccine... because they don't have the vaccine! So they came to my house to watch a movie. After they left I asked my son if they missed the movie and he said "No, they're not allowed into the theater because they aren't vaccinated."

So you brought them to our house? Which he thought was okay because he goes to school with them everyday.

I didn't know how to feel about that... I can't tell my son who to be friends with, and I don't want to make him suffer and stay home because his friends are dumb dumbs.... but I'm digressing.

He told me he's sure that less than half his grade is vaccinated, but he knew of two other friends who were getting their first shot this weekend because their parents wanted to go out to a restaurant with them. He said the two friends who couldn't make it to the movie figured they should probably get their vaccine because they want to do things.

So, yes, buy in with the young'uns is very low. Either the kids don't care or their parents don't think the kids need to worry because "kids aren't really affected if they get infected". As they start to realize they can't do things or go places they'll start to change their mind.... it just can't happen quick enough.

[Envitro]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Orders of magnitude different. More likely that he gets colkn cancer in his 20’s than VAERS myocarditis. There’s always risk, but the vaccine myocarditis risk is essentially insignificant in the grand picture of all medical risks.

Just because they have the same name doesn’t make them remotely comparable

Scientists from the University of Ottawa, Canada, have recently estimated the prevalence of myocarditis/pericarditis in individuals recently immunized with mRNA-based coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines. The analysis reveals a prevalence of 10 myopericarditis cases for every 10,000 vaccine doses.

It's still not ZERO, so in effect 1 case in every 1,000 doses, is my math correct here?

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ian-study.aspx

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Buff

My son went to go to a movie with his friends. He had is proof of vaccine with him and could have gone into the movie. His friends didn't have proof of vaccine... because they don't have the vaccine! So they came to my house to watch a movie. After they left I asked my son if they missed the movie and he said "No, they're not allowed into the theater because they aren't vaccinated."

So you brought them to our house? Which he thought was okay because he goes to school with them everyday.

I didn't know how to feel about that... I can't tell my son who to be friends with, and I don't want to make him suffer and stay home because his friends are dumb dumbs.... but I'm digressing.

He told me he's sure that less than half his grade is vaccinated, but he knew of two other friends who were getting their first shot this weekend because their parents wanted to go out to a restaurant with them. He said the two friends who couldn't make it to the movie figured they should probably get their vaccine because they want to do things.

So, yes, buy in with the young'uns is very low. Either the kids don't care or their parents don't think the kids need to worry because "kids aren't really affected if they get infected". As they start to realize they can't do things or go places they'll start to change their mind.... it just can't happen quick enough.

Bit of a double-edged sword really, depending on the ages.

"Buy in with da youts" could be low because they're just now becoming eligible, but at the same time they should do what you tell them to.

Nobody has to be preposterously authoritarian about it, but if eligible kids arent getting vaccinated....thats kind of not 'on them.'

Where are they getting this 'low buy-in' attitude?

This is why the Vaccine Passport was so important.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by AC

Not to worry, this must be why Edmonton brought in the leadership of the wise shaman Duncan Keith, also known as...

AT least he announced he's getting vaxxed; couldn't stand the 2-week quarantine rules after coming back from US.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Envitro

It's still not ZERO, so in effect 1 case in every 1,000 doses, is my math correct here?

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ian-study.aspx

This article has caused soo much damage.. ugh:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid...xers-1.6188806

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Envitro

It's still not ZERO, so in effect 1 case in every 1,000 doses, is my math correct here?

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ian-study.aspx

I think that was the study that had a math error in it and was retracted.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Knut

I think that was the study that had a math error in it and was retracted.

You are right.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Buff

My son went to go to a movie with his friends. He had is proof of vaccine with him and could have gone into the movie. His friends didn't have proof of vaccine... because they don't have the vaccine! So they came to my house to watch a movie. After they left I asked my son if they missed the movie and he said "No, they're not allowed into the theater because they aren't vaccinated."

So you brought them to our house? Which he thought was okay because he goes to school with them everyday.

I didn't know how to feel about that... I can't tell my son who to be friends with, and I don't want to make him suffer and stay home because his friends are dumb dumbs.... but I'm digressing.

He told me he's sure that less than half his grade is vaccinated, but he knew of two other friends who were getting their first shot this weekend because their parents wanted to go out to a restaurant with them. He said the two friends who couldn't make it to the movie figured they should probably get their vaccine because they want to do things.

So, yes, buy in with the young'uns is very low. Either the kids don't care or their parents don't think the kids need to worry because "kids aren't really affected if they get infected". As they start to realize they can't do things or go places they'll start to change their mind.... it just can't happen quick enough.

Sounds like you need to opt your house into the REP.


This is really a failure by government and schools though. I remember back when we needed vaccines, and every class would go to the gym, we'd line up, get our injections, and move on. There were maybe 1 or 2 opting out. I just don't see any valid excuse why school aged kids shouldn't be at 95% vaccinated.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Locke

Bit of a double-edged sword really, depending on the ages.

"Buy in with da youts" could be low because they're just now becoming eligible, but at the same time they should do what you tell them to.

Nobody has to be preposterously authoritarian about it, but if eligible kids arent getting vaccinated....thats kind of not 'on them.'

Where are they getting this 'low buy-in' attitude?

This is why the Vaccine Passport was so important.

These are 16 year olds. They'll realize quicker than some younger kids that their abilities to do stuff are going to suffer if they're not vaccinated.

The thing with one of the kids... I'm not sure why he isn't vaccinated. I saw his mother and younger sister getting their shots when I took my boys to get their shots...

I understand how some people may not want to force their kids to something against their will.... but you'll make them be home by a certain time but don't want them to get a needle that could prevent health complications?

My boys didn't need to be convinced. They knew the vaccine was the way out of this. They saw their parents and grandparents going to get their vaccines and had the example set for them. My oldest faints like me. He faints with nearly all medical stuff, so he needed encouragement that it was going to be okay, but he wanted to get shot. I just don't get why some people are getting the shot themselves but not letting or encouraging their kids to get it.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Buff

My son went to go to a movie with his friends. He had is proof of vaccine with him and could have gone into the movie. His friends didn't have proof of vaccine... because they don't have the vaccine! So they came to my house to watch a movie. After they left I asked my son if they missed the movie and he said "No, they're not allowed into the theater because they aren't vaccinated."

So you brought them to our house? Which he thought was okay because he goes to school with them everyday.

I didn't know how to feel about that... I can't tell my son who to be friends with, and I don't want to make him suffer and stay home because his friends are dumb dumbs.... but I'm digressing.

He told me he's sure that less than half his grade is vaccinated, but he knew of two other friends who were getting their first shot this weekend because their parents wanted to go out to a restaurant with them. He said the two friends who couldn't make it to the movie figured they should probably get their vaccine because they want to do things.

So, yes, buy in with the young'uns is very low. Either the kids don't care or their parents don't think the kids need to worry because "kids aren't really affected if they get infected". As they start to realize they can't do things or go places they'll start to change their mind.... it just can't happen quick enough.

Don't know how those parents are going about their business but wanting to go with a restaurant with them some time being the deciding factor for getting their kids vaccinated is pathetic.

Those teenagers are still carriers for others that could end up in hospital.

The lack of urgency in the face of what's going on is ...something special.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This whole anti-vaxx thing is so bizarre. A long time acquaintance of mine is going to walk away from a long time career rather than get vaccinated. I just don't understand why people are willing to throw everything away because they are too stubborn to get vaccinated.

I could respect the idiots if they had decided to not take any medicines, no Tylenol or anti histamines, no statins or chemo, but these twats have decided this one medicine, made by the same companies in the same way as all the other medicines that they happily take every day is somehow a plot by the lizard people and Bill Gates because some numpty on a youtube video they know nothing about told them.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Nope, both have risks. Never said they were same risks. Said they were a major risk factor and they are.

Get vaccinated, no idea why some are stuck on semantics. Get vaccinated because of Covid not to cut risk of myocarditis. Just a silly argument.

As per a large study released today, and reported in the NYT, the highest incidence of myocarditis after the vaccine is in young men. The rate for this group is 5.8 cases per million after second doses and 0.8 per million after first doses.

If you think that is a major risk I don't know how you leave your house every day.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Peaceful Warrior

I think you may need to drill down a little on your research. Over time fascism has been used to describe everything from communists to ultra-right nut jobs. Right now it is certainly used as a pejorative to describe the right. Historians have said "trying to define 'fascism' is like trying to nail jelly to the wall."


To be clear, I'm massively pro-vax, and slightly right of centre. This isn't me trying to go to bat for disassociating the right from the left, but it's not clear that anything fascist is right, and educated, intelligent people like "historians" are the ones saying this.

Even searching the quote above, which is attributed to Ian Kershaw, has himself stating that fascism in any form is extreme right wing.... I'm not trying to define it, I'm telling you where the ideology lies on the political spectrum. Anyways, I'll let this get back on topic as I clearly derailed it.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Envitro

It's still not ZERO, so in effect 1 case in every 1,000 doses, is my math correct here?

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ian-study.aspx

To save people from having to link to the source itself, please see the below:

Editors Note: While the data about total doses were publicly available, the researchers failed to accurately measure the number of vaccinations given during that two-month period, and the figure was astronomically higher than they had estimated. In June and July, Ottawa Public Health provided over 800,000 shots, not 32,379, as the initial paper suggested. Therefore, the true rate of side effects is closer to 1 in 25,000 - not 1 in 1,000.

*Important Notice
medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information.

Here's the link:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ian-study.aspx

So 40:1,000,000.

[shotinthebacklund]

Its well known to me I am less of a vehement supporter of mandatory vaccine as many here however,



I contracted Covid in may of this year ( before eligible for vaccine) It was a rough experience, I had mild myocardititis post covid as was instructed to keep a eye on it by my MD.



My first vaccination I had rough side affects that were essential a shorter version of my covid experience. Felt fine 2 days later and some good sleep.


My second injection I had even greater side affects then the first. Very similar to Covid and this time they lasted 4-5 days. High fever, Body aches, no energy and developed mild myocarditis again lasting several weeks.



So from my perspective some of these posts are pretty disrespectful.

Hope he feels better soon, no matter his personal decisions regarding vaccination.

[Poe969]

Archibal found out he wasn't going to be roommates with McDavid and that's what's really wrong. Everyone is saying it's Myocarditis but really, it's a broken heart.

[GhostCookie]

The reason I can't condemn people for being angry and righteous and angry is that these same people have been spewing their vitriol with hate and anger so severe that I can't imagine they can have any conversation without a buckets-worth of spittle flying out of their mouth.

At what point do you stop treating adults who have the ability to understand and reason like little children? Just because they are behaving like underdeveloped fools doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their actions, particularly those actions that spread hate and medical advice that is at best wrong, but more likely actually dangerous to those who trust it.

If Josh Archibald proclaimed gravity a hoax and jumped off a bridge and broke every bone in his body, we wouldn't be treating him like misguided, we would be pointing out that what he did was stupid and he deserved the result of that stupidity, because he knew better and did it anyways.

The angry people are tired of having to sacrifice because the stupid people believe they are somehow heroes and paragons of freedom, while they actively catch covid and die, crushing our health system along the way.

[Southern_Canuck]

I believe there are two categories for people that choose not to get vaccinated:

Category 1) The person chooses not to get vaccinated, either because they are afraid of vaccinations, have a medical condition, or have been brain-washed by youtube ranters - however they follow health guidelines, avoiding unnecessary contact with others, washing their hands frequently, wear masks in public places, and avoid indoor events/restaurants.

Category 2) The person chooses not to get vaccinated, either because they are afraid of vaccinations, have a medical condition, or have been brain-washed by youtube ranters - but they do not follow health guidelines, they spread misinformation, and complain about restrictions on unvaccinated people.

Category 1... OK, fine.

Category 2? Stupid, selfish, and not fit to be in a community.

I think what Category 2 doesn't have the mental capacity to understand, is that - well, lets's say we are in this exact same pandemic, with a readily available vaccine, but 100% of people chose not to get the vaccine... well, with this Delta variant it is easy to see that the nation would be in complete lockdown to reduce deaths. No restaurants, no indoor sports events or concerts, no church, etc.

The only reason that the country can be as open as it is today is solely because of the people who have chosen to become vaccinated.

S_C