[News] CSEC's acceptable proof of vaccination for Saddledome games

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Meh, honestly don't care anymore. We are in a pandemic. Get vaccinated and live your lives. This is the new normal. Can't hide at home forever. If I die from covid, so be it but not about to hide at home. I'm vaccinated and going to live my life.

The problem is that there is no safety net. You may not have to worry about dying from coivd, but because there is no hospital space, you may die from many other preventable things. Until we get these unvacinated morons out of our healthcare system, we are being held hostage by them, and our worthless, ineffective government.

Now, maybe this makes little sense if you are young, healthy, and have no one you care about at risk of needing hospital care. But it doesn't make it any less true. If our government hadn't stampeded us into the situation we are in, I'd not be saying this. But this is where we are.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I have directed my attention to the government, but they have chosen to do nothing, despite all calls and evidence for action. So now it comes down to individual choices. "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

I think you and I see covid in a very similar light, likewise with the provincial governments response. I also have serious doubts that if another lockdown was ordered that there would be much compliance from the unvaccinated.

At this point, everyone is completely burnt out, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. I have almost 0 faith our government will do the right thing and even less for the unvaxxed. I really hope they roll out the "not a passport" passport more forcefully. Make it tough to be stupid.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Meh, honestly don't care anymore. We are in a pandemic. Get vaccinated and live your lives. This is the new normal. Can't hide at home forever. If I die from covid, so be it but not about to hide at home. I'm vaccinated and going to live my life.

Me, me, me, me. Who cares about other people.

I’m shocked by the stance you’ve taken.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

No I haven't done any of that since the pandemic started(other than visiting my dad when cases are low). I've got my own reasons, and I understand people doing it when our cases are low, between waves. No issue with that. But right now, every incremental activity with the possibility of spreading covid is a bad idea. 20 000 people in one place for 3 hours, many without masks, yelling and cheering isn't what I consider a good idea.

This isn't some crazy idea I came up with. Doctors are saying it's a bad idea, too.




https://globalnews.ca/news/8216477/a...-arenas-covid/

You seriously haven't been to anyone's house except your dad's in two years

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The problem is that there is no safety net. You may not have to worry about dying from coivd, but because there is no hospital space, you may die from many other preventable things. Until we get these unvacinated morons out of our healthcare system, we are being held hostage by them, and our worthless, ineffective government.

Now, maybe this makes little sense if you are young, healthy, and have no one you care about at risk of needing hospital care. But it doesn't make it any less true. If our government hadn't stampeded us into the situation we are in, I'd not be saying this. But this is where we are.

I freaking see you...

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DJones

You seriously haven't been to anyone's house except your dad's in two years

Not inside, no. I've done small gatherings outdoors with friends under 10 people, never any shared food. But I do understand that's not something most people need to do, like I said, I have other considerations. I don't begrudge anyone who did it when it made sense.

[Yellefan]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

First, they aren’t fully vaccinated.

Second, our healthcare system is on the brink, no, well past the brink. As such, any new hospitalizations carry mich higher risks than if we had low hospitalizations and people were attending games.

This means that every time you take an action that allows covid to spread unencumbered, you put anyone who requires hospitalization at risk. Not just covid patients, but anyone who needs emergency services.

There has never been a more important time for people to limit the spread. Never has our situation been more dire.

No one is stopping you from attending games but by doing so you are certainly putting others at a higher risk.

The fact that it clearly riles up people to hear that speaks for itself.

How are they not fully vaccinated? Is that not a requirement to get into the saddledome? Maybe I'm missing something. I also don't see how I'm putting people at higher risk-- I barely leave my house, I wear a mask everywhere I go, I am fully vaccinated. Maybe I am a covidiot, but honestly I see the risk as pretty small.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Me, me, me, me. Who cares about other people.

I’m shocked by the stance you’ve taken.

I've been vaccinated, what else can I do? Hide at home?

Please, this discussion is about going to a damn Flames game. I will be going to work and supporting my family not sitting at home on government money. If living my life makes me selfish then so be it. I've done my part, if someone doesn't want to get covid and is scared then they can stay home.

Get off your high horse.

[tvp2003]

I appreciate the sentiment of those saying we should err on the side of caution, and obviously am concerned about the current state of our ICU’s, but everything incrementally increases the risk if you’re going to evaluate it that way. Going to restaurants, sending kids to school, riding the bus… all technically could lead to a trail of infection (or something completely unrelated) that ends up in an ICU admission. Do you also stop driving, so as to avoid a potential car accident too?

I’m also not sure hockey games are necessarily that much different than other indoor gatherings, going to the movies, etc. where you’re sitting non-socially distanced with the same (vaccinated) people for an extended period of time. I can see why there is concern of course, and yes there is a possibility someone has used fake vaccination credentials — something that hopefully gets rectified soon with the provincial QR codes — but overall people can and should evaluate any activity they participate in as it relates to their situation. If you regularly care for someone who is elderly and/or immuno-compromised, then yes it could be prudent to be more cautious. Many parents of kids under 12 are likely doing something similar.

I also appreciate the discussion and different perspectives — and have even adjusted my own behaviour recently based on hearing them — so I think that’s a good thing. I’ll add that I hope once the regular season starts that the Flames are more explicit about reminding people to keep their masks on while indoors (I’m not sure what they’re currently doing but it doesn’t seem to be working very well).

[Knut]

FYI. Update. Those that I knew that were reported. Literally nothing happened. At all, the person that reported them didn’t even get a call back from police non-emergency line.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Knut

FYI. Update. Those that I knew that were reported. Literally nothing happened. At all, the person that reported them didn’t even get a call back from police non-emergency line.

That doesn’t mean much, the police wouldn’t tell the people who reported it anything.

[Amethyst]

Yes, everything increases the risk, but it's not all the same. In a restaurant, you are around 50? people. In a packed movie theatre 100. Kids going to school is definitely a risk, but it provides children with an education, social and mental health benefits, etc.

A Flames game has 20 000 people together for the purpose of entertainment.

The more things you do and the more people you're around, the bigger the risk. So a Flames game puts a lot of people together for something that's more of a "nice to do" than a "need to do" activity.

Not for me, at this point.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Wormius

That doesn’t mean much, the police wouldn’t tell the people who reported it anything.

Life is carrying on as normal for the unvaccinated forgers. I would have found out if something had happened as it would have made it back to my wife.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Knut

FYI. Update. Those that I knew that were reported. Literally nothing happened. At all, the person that reported them didn’t even get a call back from police non-emergency line.

Well of course not, police can't do anything. It really isn't a police matter.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Well of course not, police can't do anything. It really isn't a police matter.

Yeah I would think that's an Alberta Health issue to deal with somehow. The police haven't helped in any way since the beginning of this.

On the topic of QR codes. Does anyone really think this inept government will use them properly? I'm betting they will just be a choice and the forgers will be able to continue using their paper home printed fake documents.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Well of course not, police can't do anything. It really isn't a police matter.

Yes it is. According to the link posted earlier. It’s a forgery of a government document. Like forging your drivers licence. One admitted to me they are forging the passport to attend the Flames game.

Sigh…. I made the report. Report was for forged vaccine passports.

1) crimestoppers said it’s not their department

2) AHS said call 311

3) 311 said it’s police non-emergency

Police non-emergency said that it is a criminal act but this was the first call they have received and it is their department as they work on conjunction with AHS. I filled a report and was told I would get a call from an inspector the next day. Nothing.

There is no anonymous reporting right now in Alberta btw.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Well of course not, police can't do anything. It really isn't a police matter.

Any chance that they didn’t forge them?

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

A Flames game has 20 000 people together for the purpose of entertainment.

Well, let’s look at this objectively. If I’m sitting in my seat in the press level and someone in the lower bowl has Covid (and isn’t wearing a mask), am I at high risk? What if he’s three sections over? I mean, it’s possible those droplets could be blown around, but in a place like the Saddledome is it that much more riskier than sitting in a restaurant with the AC running? I’m no expert so I could be wrong but the number of people only tells you part of the story IMO.

I’m also not factoring the possibility of a crowded concourse, but there’s no excuse not to be wearing a mask there IMO.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DJones

You seriously haven't been to anyone's house except your dad's in two years

No… is this shocking to people? The majority of my acquaintances are the same.

[The Familia]

I personally feel any unvaccinated people who wind up in the hospital should be on the hook for their medical bills. I would institute a policy where anyone not vaccinated (who are eligible) by November 1 are subject to pay all medical expenses for their stay. This applies only to people who contract COVID. If people haven’t been vaccinated by then and still believe it’s a hoax, well then why should my taxes pay for your dumb ass any longer.