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flambers · 10-02-2021, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, far too inconsistent. We want good players or bad players, no in between!

We consistently need giveaways worse than his. Gudbranson and Zadarov must be on the roster ahead of him because they're consistently bad.

They have size which clearly the head coach is looking for.

Flames really needed a top 4 dman, however those are tough to find

Clearly neither Zadarov nor Gudranson are top 4

TheScorpion · 10-02-2021, 10:49 AM

Why can't they just start Kylington with Tanev this year? Is it really too much to ask to keep seeing a pairing that's been excellent in the preseason?

Moneyhands23 · 10-02-2021, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why can't they just start Kylington with Tanev this year? Is it really too much to ask to keep seeing a pairing that's been excellent in the preseason?

I am so intrigued by this emergence of Kylington. Can Valimaki play the right side? I want Kylington in but Valamaki needs to play

Bingo · 10-02-2021, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

I agree that Kylington has looked good in the preseason paired with Tanev. I think he has firmly put himself in contention for the 6 and 7 spot. I wouldn't look too much into his play with Tanev though.

He is simply filling Hanafins slot, and he gets to play with the teams best D-man against preseason competition while he does it. Good on em for looking good while doing it, but I wouldn't be penciling him into the top 4, at least not yet.

I hope he gets there though. This team needs some speed in the top 4, and he certainly brings that. Kylington has been the best surprise of the preseason so far. Really hoping he can keep it up.

He is likely filling Hanifins part for sure.

But can he? That's the big question. Sutter has put him in a situation where he has to be in the top pairing and take on big minutes which is more reps and more exposure to mistakes.

Get through those ... even more so as we go forward and rosters get set and maybe he can be a top 5 defenseman for the Flames this year.

I think that's key.

It's not on Kylington that the Canucks dressed nobody. Take what you're given (lots of ice, PP time) and don't falter.

Just keep passing the tests.

I've been a wet sponge on Kylington for the last two years as I didn't see him using his biggest weapon; his boots. He's taken a step in that regard in the preseason for sure.

transplant99 · 10-02-2021, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why can't they just start Kylington with Tanev this year? Is it really too much to ask to keep seeing a pairing that's been excellent in the preseason?

Im guessing they dont want him playing 22-24 minutes a night with his defensive deficiencies.

There is no scenario where he should be playing ahead of Hanifin nor Andersson at this point. Maybe he can work his way into that kind of role, but they certainly won't just hand it to him.

Bingo · 10-02-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why can't they just start Kylington with Tanev this year? Is it really too much to ask to keep seeing a pairing that's been excellent in the preseason?

That pairing hasn't played an NHL set of forwards yet.

You might be getting ahead of yourself.

GioforPM · 10-02-2021, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Im guessing they dont want him playing 22-24 minutes a night with his defensive deficiencies.

There is no scenario where he should be playing ahead of Hanifin nor Andersson at this point. Maybe he can work his way into that kind of role, but they certainly won't just hand it to him.

And Tanev is certainly going to be line up against other teams’ top players. That is a lot to expect out of Kylington.

It’s going to be Hanifin-Tanev - that’s my best guess.

Textcritic · 10-02-2021, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

...I've been a wet sponge on Kylington for the last two years as I didn't see him using his biggest weapon; his boots. He's taken a step in that regard in the preseason for sure.

I think this is the most significant thing about Kylington's preseason so far, and if we have noticed, then I won't be surprised that scouts from other teams have noticed as well. I have never been nervous about the prospect of Kylington passing through waivers, but I sure as hell am now.

CsInMyBlood · 10-02-2021, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

And Tanev is certainly going to be line up against other teams’ top players. That is a lot to expect out of Kylington.

It’s going to be Hanifin-Tanev - that’s my best guess.

Yup.

Hanifin-Tanev was a great pairing in the world of NHL pairings, there is no way they will be split. I believe last year they were the last blueliners standing that hadn't given up an even strength goal.

Why mess with what worked, when their chemistry can only get better going forward?

I'm with Bingo though, regardless of quality of competition, Kylington has been stepping up when challenged this preseason, hopefully he does force his way into the lineup.

dissentowner · 10-02-2021, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think this is the most significant thing about Kylington's preseason so far, and if we have noticed, then I won't be surprised that scouts from other teams have noticed as well. I have never been nervous about the prospect of Kylington passing through waivers, but I sure as hell am now.

Maybe the Sabres scouts have also seen his play this pre-season and will want him in an Eichel trade. Obviously there is a lot more to be included on our side.

Reggie Dunlop · 10-02-2021, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think this is the most significant thing about Kylington's preseason so far, and if we have noticed, then I won't be surprised that scouts from other teams have noticed as well. I have never been nervous about the prospect of Kylington passing through waivers, but I sure as hell am now.

I think he could get moved for an asset. There's maybe a team or two who wouldn't get first dibs via the waiver route.

Wouldn't be a big asset, mind you.

dino7c · 10-02-2021, 11:31 AM

Zadorov is a good player...please stop lumping him in with Gudbranson since they are both big. Zadorov's big hit created the the game winner at least give credit where credit is due.

Also he is 26 not old...he puts it all together and he is a monster

I think people are going a little overboard on Kylington too, he had some decent pre-season games against so-so lineups so pencil him in to top 4!

Third pair with some PP time maybe

PugnaciousIntern · 10-02-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why can't they just start Kylington with Tanev this year? Is it really too much to ask to keep seeing a pairing that's been excellent in the preseason?

Their quality of competition is quite poor. It happens almost every preseason where a young player shines early but fades in the last few preseason games. Dube being the most recent example. Too early to say - I would be very disappointed if Kylington did NOT play as well as he has so far.

But yes if the pairing works against really NHL competition, I love it

FBI · 10-02-2021, 11:45 AM

If Kylington gets waived I’m going to be extremely annoyed at the flames. All he does is work hard year after year, put in a good effort and takes his lumps. Also what’s the point in spending all these years of development just to lose him on waivers for nothing. Instead another team will gain all the development time for free. That would be maddening.

Winsor_Pilates · 10-02-2021, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Yup.

Hanifin-Tanev was a great pairing in the world of NHL pairings, there is no way they will be split. I believe last year they were the last blueliners standing that hadn't given up an even strength goal.

Why mess with what worked, when their chemistry can only get better going forward?

I could potentially see them split up if it makes for 2 stronger defensive lines. With Gio gone, Hanifin might be ready to carry the 2nd pairing and we might have a stronger top 4 overall with him and Tanev on separate lines.

Currently I'm concerned the team is top line heavy on both offence and defence.

heep223 · 10-02-2021, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FBI

If Kylington gets waived I’m going to be extremely annoyed at the flames. All he does is work hard year after year, put in a good effort and takes his lumps. Also what’s the point in spending all these years of development just to lose him on waivers for nothing. Instead another team will gain all the development time for free. That would be maddening.

Working hard and being dedicated means nothing if you can’t get the job done. Same as any other profession.

Robbob · 10-02-2021, 12:03 PM

I really want to see Monahan start to get in to see if maybe a line with him, Coleman and Mangipane can be a thing. I really liked the 13-28-19 line last night, they seem to have some chemistry and were noticeable each shift. That one shift they had in the 3rd was something. If they can keep that line and create a line that can provide secondary scoring, that will go a long ways this season. Even a third built around Dube and Backlund is a decent start. Then a 4th with Lewis - Richardson - Lucic with Gadwin getting some time spelling out Richardson at center.

Bingo · 10-02-2021, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by heep223

Working hard and being dedicated means nothing if you can’t get the job done. Same as any other profession.

Yeah and the fact that nobody claimed when he was on waivers would suggest the other 30 teams had a similar view to where Kylington was as Calgary.

But ...

If he's using his feet better now the timing couldn't be more perfect as the team team needs more speed and attack on the back end.

But it's still too early in the preseason to assume he's now a bonafide NHLer.

Gaskal · 10-02-2021, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I am so intrigued by this emergence of Kylington. Can Valimaki play the right side? I want Kylington in but Valamaki needs to play

Pretty sure he grew up playing on the right.

Textcritic · 10-02-2021, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I think people are going a little overboard on Kylington too, he had some decent pre-season games against so-so lineups so pencil him in to top 4!

Third pair with some PP time maybe

Some people are definitely getting carried away, but this is the most consistently best performance that I have ever seen from Kylington. And it's not like he is a rookie fresh out if Juniour, or making the jump straight from the AHL: I think the fact that he has already played a tonne of NHL games, and has noticeably improved what was his most glaring shortcoming (good decision making with the puck at speed) is a significant development.

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