[GDT] Time to get Kraken. Seattle @ Calgary. 7pm MT. calgaryflames.com

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

A few things to unpack in here.

1. How do you retain more than 7 picks - it should be a seven or more statement. So simply do not trade your picks away until you are top 5 in GF/GA. A balanced approach would be using PTOs (older players have been significantly devalued). You can also trade players not in your long term plans for more than one pick. Picks in the high mid rounds are 10-20% chance of being an NHLer that plays 100 games, but there is a chance that player you draft is much more than that. Trading picks for established players limits your downside, but vastly limits your upside.

2. Yes you are correct there are 7 rounds in the current NHL draft, so you start with 7 picks already. The do nothing case and just draft is attractive.

3. Your scenario is interesting. First my rule is a guideline, but lets pretend it is a rule that cannot be broken. If you keep all your mid round picks you should have at least 3 young players in your bottom 6 line up in the 3rd year of the strategy if you have average drafting. Get the odd year where you get two NHLers in a draft or your picks have longer than 3yr careers and you're off to the races. You've also got an asset base to trade from.

4. Lots of teams do it the balanced approach. We've been too aggressive in trading away our upside in those mid picks for higher floor/more expensive bottom of the roster talent. Arizona and Detroit are now leaning heavily into the build through the draft model, as is Ottawa. If you can't attract top end talent through FA, it is the way you have to go in my opinion under a salary cap. I am open to suggestions though.

Fair enough. We’d have to be prepared to go scorched earth and run with a very young roster, which also comes with risk of rushing prospects and ruining their development (a la de Oil). Then what happens when that group of locally drafted players doesn’t have any success?

Rhetorical questions: Is the problem our draft pick quantity though? Is our scouting department less effective than other teams? Or do we just falsely assume other teams were smarter at drafting as opposed to just getting lucky more often, like we did with Gaudreau? Are we drafting well, but then losing talent through ineffective development? As a fan, is it easier and more enjoyable to just watch the games and get on with your day?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Look...if you're asking @JiriHrdina & @ WastedYouth then you're clearly not the guys. And that is ok. Sports is entertainment, and I can't tell either of you how to enjoy it.

As for fanbases that have had an effect on decisions that teams take...I think its more rare to find a fanbase that hasn't gotten a coach or manager fired or even reversed decisions from ownership.

Some of the examples are fun though:
1. The Fire Lowe sign in Edmonton https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...0071--nhl.html
2. Ottawa vs Melnyk https://theathletic.com/1862522/2020...tting-it-back/
3. Jets fans vs Adam Gase
4. Lions fans vs Matt Millen https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/12...it-lions-fans/
5. Fan protests against the European Super League - Man U fans stormed the field!
6. Even Bluejacket fans protested management in 2012! https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2012/01/30...and-president/

Overall...Calgary looks to be a pretty easy going fanbase. We show up, we don't cause a ruckus, we need a coach sacrifice every few years, and we're fearful the "team will leave". Sounds like a formula to keep on doing what we're doing.

I even look at myself, my bare minimum is don't embarrass me. So no Peters incidents lingering is my fandom line...anything like that needs to be immediately stamped out.

On the other side of the equation, the Panthers fans have stayed away in droves for years. It didn't make the team any better. IN FACT, I would argue that the fans not regularly attending due to a lack of success perpetuated the lack of success. The team had to make tough choices due to an internal budget, often moving out good players like Vincent Trocheck due to long-term cap concerns.

Fans staying away or demanding change doesn't help. These guys are smart and internally they know what needs to be done to improve. But saying it and doing it are different things. If everyone could do the things they thought up, every team would be exceptional. Obviously, that's not how things work.

Look, enjoy the ride and take pleasure where you can. Sport success is cyclical, and it will come around again, but it won't last long. Savour it when it happens and don't stress when it doesn't.

[united]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm not a mod actually.

Yourself and user jirihrdina have been posting this a lot lately, however I can see why general posters would think you are both moderators given the below screenshot of the main page where it lists you both as moderators.



Also, as with any forum ever, general users can't block or ignore moderators and this, below, comes up with both of your accounts. Makes sense with yours as your account mentions you are the owner, but the other person's account isn't consistent with the recent messaging.



Just some feedback on why people may be getting confused as obviously both of you are irritated by it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by united

Yourself and user jirihrdina have been posting this a lot lately, however I can see why general posters would think you are both moderators given the below screenshot of the main page where it lists you both as moderators.



Also, as with any forum ever, general users can't block or ignore moderators and this, below, comes up with both of your accounts. Makes sense with yours as your account mentions you are the owner, but the other person's account isn't consistent with the recent messaging.



Just some feedback on why people may be getting confused as obviously both of you are irritated by it.

Well given that I'm not a moderator you just taught me something about my site.

I'm sure being an owner I have some account settings that I'm not even aware of.

But rest assure I have never moderated.

Jiri was a moderator and stepped down, so that makes some sense as well.

[GioforPM]

Jiri was a mod when I started here. I know because he gave my my first warning.

[Bingo]

I guess my question is are moderators not allowed to join the discussion?

Because if that's the case I'm going to have a heck of a time finding volunteer moderators.

So lets eliminate that.

So they have to behave in a certain way? This makes some sense for sure but they're human. And given the first question ... that they are allowed to participate they certainly will get hot under the collar once in a while.

Then how about me?

I own the site. So shouldn't post? Shouldn't get involved in bickering? Three times in the last month I've been told I shouldn't do something because I'm an owner. With the vaccine mess I was told I should step away from my own site.

Is this the general view of things? Or is this the view of an annoyed hockey fan that's lashing out?

It's making me think honestly.

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I guess my question is are moderators not allowed to join the discussion?

Because if that's the case I'm going to have a heck of a time finding volunteer moderators.

So lets eliminate that.

So they have to behave in a certain way? This makes some sense for sure but they're human. And given the first question ... that they are allowed to participate they certainly will get hot under the collar once in a while.

Then how about me?

I own the site. So shouldn't post? Shouldn't get involved in bickering? Three times in the last month I've been told I shouldn't do something because I'm an owner. With the vaccine mess I was told I should step away from my own site.

Is this the general view of things? Or is this the view of an annoyed hockey fan that's lashing out?

It's making me think honestly.

Your site, your rules! If they don't like it, they can go post on HFBoards. Nobody will miss them.

PS. Thanks for hosting such an awesome site!

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I guess my question is are moderators not allowed to join the discussion?

Because if that's the case I'm going to have a heck of a time finding volunteer moderators.

So lets eliminate that.

So they have to behave in a certain way? This makes some sense for sure but they're human. And given the first question ... that they are allowed to participate they certainly will get hot under the collar once in a while.

Then how about me?

I own the site. So shouldn't post? Shouldn't get involved in bickering? Three times in the last month I've been told I shouldn't do something because I'm an owner. With the vaccine mess I was told I should step away from my own site.

Is this the general view of things? Or is this the view of an annoyed hockey fan that's lashing out?

It's making me think honestly.

just the view of a small minority, I believe. just lashing out from someone who doesn't perhaps have a logical rebuttal or is overly emotional about a topic.

I followed the vaccine debate and think the person there was just so emotionally involved that it clouded some of their judgement in posting.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I think the very large silent majority think owner/mods should be able to post as anyone else can. Need to follow the same rules and have at 'er.

I don't agree with every post from a mod/owner, but why would I? I certainly don't feel defensive if there is an honest conversation between any member of CP, mod or not.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I guess my question is are moderators not allowed to join the discussion?

Because if that's the case I'm going to have a heck of a time finding volunteer moderators.

So lets eliminate that.

So they have to behave in a certain way? This makes some sense for sure but they're human. And given the first question ... that they are allowed to participate they certainly will get hot under the collar once in a while.

Then how about me?

I own the site. So shouldn't post? Shouldn't get involved in bickering? Three times in the last month I've been told I shouldn't do something because I'm an owner. With the vaccine mess I was told I should step away from my own site.

Is this the general view of things? Or is this the view of an annoyed hockey fan that's lashing out?

It's making me think honestly.

It’s definitely the view of irrational “fans”. If you owned a restaurant I can’t come in and go off telling you what you can and can’t do. You’d kick me out for causing a disturbance and being obnoxious. Your place, your rules.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Bingo

It’s just a defensive mechanism for not being able to handle debate and pushback.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by united

Yourself and user jirihrdina have been posting this a lot lately, however I can see why general posters would think you are both moderators given the below screenshot of the main page where it lists you both as moderators.



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That JiriHrdina account is an old one that stopped working for some reason (e.g. couldn't get PMs) which is why you now see me as Jiri Hrdina. But I forgot about that and will reach out to Photon to make sure that account still doesn't have mod status, to avoid any confusion.

I agree with Bingo's broader points. To be honest it was one of the reasons I did step down as I became tired of the "as a mod you should/shouldn't" type of stuff. I even had people get upset with me because "as a mod you shouldn't have thanked that post".

How silly is that.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That JiriHrdina account is an old one that stopped working for some reason (e.g. couldn't get PMs) which is why you now see me as Jiri Hrdina. But I forgot about that and will reach out to Photon to make sure that account still doesn't have mod status, to avoid any confusion.

That banner hasn't changed for years, despite the fact that there have been quite a few changes to the moderation team. I never thought that anyone paid that much attention, but yeah, it should probably be fixed.

[PepsiFree]

I think it's healthy to disagree on moderation decisions once in a while, but I don't think the vast majority care what mods and non-mods (like Bingo and Jiri) post in relation to who they are. I think most people here are grown up enough to realize you're just a bunch of dudes the same as anyone else here and that your opinions are your own. I think it was stupid that Jiri felt the need to not do it anymore, because he was a good and fair mod, and it's getting annoying having every conversation with Bingo involved turn into a commentary on his official role in the site.

The idea that volunteer moderators should post to a higher standard than they moderate, or that they're "bought and paid for" by the Flames (both suggestions I've seen multiple times) is ridiculous, and I would bet 98% of the board agrees those posts are embarrassing to read. People take this place a little too seriously and would do well to lighten up and have fun.

Though, I do enjoy watching Textcritic get "I thought you were a MOD?" responses weekly, this one was funny:

Funny enough that it is a reason to introduce a negative element to the work environment. (but not as funny as the comment about harem warfare, which along with the self description of acerbic cyber bully, seems to be part of your desired online identity)

Should I have the responsibility of a moderator, I imagine I would endeavour to picture people with more of a neutral lens. Also, in light of how people are increasingly noting the toxicity of the board, I would maybe shy away from posts that escalate conflict

Like, imagine being someone trying to psychoanalyze a moderator of a hockey forum because they made a funny post, and then in the same breath, submitting their resume to be a moderator.

People must think y'all get paid well to be Flames shills, I guess. Lots of prestige is involved in being a moderator. Tons of fun I bet.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I mean, if they ARE bought and paid for by the Flames, meaning there is some sort of financial compensation for moderating, I'd honestly think about applying to part of the moderating team. I could use a few extra bucks.

The gig is pretty easy too because the community holds each other to account pretty well. Lots of other sites are a ####ing nightmare compared to this one.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That JiriHrdina account is an old one that stopped working for some reason (e.g. couldn't get PMs) which is why you now see me as Jiri Hrdina. But I forgot about that and will reach out to Photon to make sure that account still doesn't have mod status, to avoid any confusion.

I agree with Bingo's broader points. To be honest it was one of the reasons I did step down as I became tired of the "as a mod you should/shouldn't" type of stuff. I even had people get upset with me because "as a mod you shouldn't have thanked that post".

How silly is that.

A likely story. A LIKELY STORY!

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ lol @Pepsi. That’s your takeaway? Although you appear to struggle with comprehension too, glad you enjoyed it (?) The point was more to do with moderation vs unnecessary escalation, as the guy was taking a piss out of another poster. No way in hell would I have any interest whatsoever in being a moderator.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I mean, if they ARE bought and paid for by the Flames, meaning there is some sort of financial compensation for moderating, I'd honestly think about applying to part of the moderating team. I could use a few extra bucks.

The gig is pretty easy too because the community holds each other to account pretty well. Lots of other sites are a ####ing nightmare compared to this one.

Ironically I had a meeting with Ken King about 20 years ago about literally buying the site.

The forum on the team's page was getting lapped by CP in users and traffic, so we sat down.

Ultimately it was the complete opposite happening where he said ultimately CP is of more value to him not owning it because every facet of their business can see what the huge fan thinks from ticketing to scouting to beer prices to bathroom lines ups to player acquisition and coaching.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Ironically I had a meeting with Ken King about 20 years ago about literally buying the site.

The forum on the team's page was getting lapped by CP in users and traffic, so we sat down.

Ultimately it was the complete opposite happening where he said ultimately CP is of more value to him not owning it because every facet of their business can see what the huge fan thinks from ticketing to scouting to beer prices to bathroom lines ups to player acquisition and coaching.

So all the endless complaining about bathroom lines wasn't for nothing?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ lol @Pepsi. That’s your takeaway? Although you appear to struggle with comprehension too, glad you enjoyed it (?) The point was more to do with moderation vs unnecessary escalation, as the guy was taking a piss out of another poster. No way in hell would I have any interest whatsoever in being a moderator.

If textcritic was a normal poster he probably would have been banned years ago. But he probably also wouldn't post in the same vitriolic, toxic manner that he does.