Friedman: Gaudreau not expected to comment on contract status

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The thing to keep an eye on this season is just how well Johnny plays in a contract year. If he lights things up he drives up his contract price (bad for Flames fans) but also ups his trade value at the deadline (good for Flames fans). I feel the only way the Flames can screw up that scenario is to finish the season with him still on the roster and unsigned. You can argue things get muddier if he has a down season as do you want to sign him long term if he's possibly declining and his trade value may be disappointing as well.

Huh? Johnny or any other player on the Flames having a good season is a good thing. Unless we are secretly entering tank mode.

[DeluxeMoustache]

They should be prepared to pay Johnny, even if he has a good year

Say it takes another 2.5 million. Brouwer’s 1.5 million dead cap dropping, off plus a million savings on Gudbranson’s replacement would take care of the highest figure I imagine he would command.

At the same time, next year will be tight as Mangiapane and Tkachuk both need to be paid. Depending how Tkachuk’s negotiation goes, probably have to find a cheaper replacement for Zadorov as well, for starters

After next year, with Lucic’s 5.25 dropping off, that creates a bit of flexibility

Definitely a bottleneck next season, but I think they can pay Johnny

[Mr.Coffee]

Personally I think if I am the Flames I would be giving Gaudreau an ultimatum right now. I would be giving him a great offer, and then indicating if he doesn't sign it we'll look to trade right away.

This would be explained by the fact that I think you'd get far more value today than at the trade deadline, which is where Treliving is taking us. Gaudreau has no incentive to sign, so we'll be humming and hawing at the deadline, be borderline in playoff spot, and Treliving will have to trade him to maximize value. So the trade we get in Feb is going to be not good to what we could get now and since that is most probably the outcome, we should take action now (er, probably in June but whatever).

Treliving needs to eventually make a stand somewhere, better sooner than later, basically.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think if I am the Flames I would be giving Gaudreau an ultimatum right now. I would be giving him a great offer, and then indicating if he doesn't sign it we'll look to trade right away.

This would be explained by the fact that I think you'd get far more value today than at the trade deadline, which is where Treliving is taking us. Gaudreau has no incentive to sign, so we'll be humming and hawing at the deadline, be borderline in playoff spot, and Treliving will have to trade him to maximize value. So the trade we get in Feb is going to be not good to what we could get now and since that is most probably the outcome, we should take action now (er, probably in June but whatever).

Treliving needs to eventually make a stand somewhere, better sooner than later, basically.

It makes absolutely zero sense to do that right now. If Treliving wanted to trade him it would have had to be during the summer.

Not sure the best way to create sustainable success is to negotiate with tactic “sign this contract or get traded”

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think if I am the Flames I would be giving Gaudreau an ultimatum right now.

We're past the point of ultimatums. The Flames no longer have any control in this negotiation, so making an ultimatum will only drive the parties further apart and give Gaudreau's camp more incentive to look elsewhere. The only thing the Flames have to offer now is an 8th year, and I'm not sure Treliving has the green light to make that commitment.

[Samonadreau]

Yup, the only way Gaudreau gets traded this season is if the flames are out of the mix at Deadline and there hasnt been much traction on an extension.

[Roof-Daddy]

Does Gaudreau even own a place in Calgary?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Does Gaudreau even own a place in Calgary?

Probably not, like the majority of the roster he lives elsewhere in the offseason. If a deal was not to be made he would have been dealt last offseason, it will get done.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Yup, the only way Gaudreau gets traded this season is if the flames are out of the mix at Deadline and there hasnt been much traction on an extension.

I disagree. I think if Gaudreau camp makes it obvious they won't re-sign they'll trade him no matter where they are in standings.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Yup, the only way Gaudreau gets traded this season is if the flames are out of the mix at Deadline and there hasnt been much traction on an extension.

Waiting reduces the value for a trade. Quite a bit, actually.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by bax

It makes absolutely zero sense to do that right now. If Treliving wanted to trade him it would have had to be during the summer.

Not sure the best way to create sustainable success is to negotiate with tactic “sign this contract or get traded”

Maybe the Flames need to think differently about how to get sustained success rather than give away all your leverage and mis-manage assets?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think if I am the Flames I would be giving Gaudreau an ultimatum right now. I would be giving him a great offer, and then indicating if he doesn't sign it we'll look to trade right away.

This would be explained by the fact that I think you'd get far more value today than at the trade deadline, which is where Treliving is taking us. Gaudreau has no incentive to sign, so we'll be humming and hawing at the deadline, be borderline in playoff spot, and Treliving will have to trade him to maximize value. So the trade we get in Feb is going to be not good to what we could get now and since that is most probably the outcome, we should take action now (er, probably in June but whatever).

Treliving needs to eventually make a stand somewhere, better sooner than later, basically.

Don’t think giving an ultimatum to the guy that holds all the cards is a good idea. The time for ultimatum ( not that they would ever do it) was before the NMC kicked in . If anything, flames management should be bending over and asking Johnny to take it easy on them with what ever his choice of route is. Please lube up Johnny!!

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Waiting reduces the value for a trade. Quite a bit, actually.

Dont shoot the messenger.

[BurningSteel]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Does Gaudreau even own a place in Calgary?

I know he looked a couple of years ago and then pulled the pin on the idea. A more relevant and telling question may be what is his wife doing? Is she staying put or moving up here for the season?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Personally I think if I am the Flames I would be giving Gaudreau an ultimatum right now. I would be giving him a great offer, and then indicating if he doesn't sign it we'll look to trade right away.

Assuming Johnny was smart and gave a list of 5 teams who have no interest in a rental, good luck thinking you have his cooperation pissing him off with effectively a full no trade contract.

Calgary will be making no ultimatum.


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[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I agree 199% but the truth is that BT really has been pretty damn good at getting his own guys to sign fair deals and as such likely feels empowered that he can do it again here.

He needs to win this year IMO (make playoffs) or he is gonzo.

Pretty unlikely he could have dealt JG and gotten back anything close to the offense he would have lost. So with DS in control of the type of hockey they are going to be playing, BT is gambling on re-signing JG and brought in a bunch of defense first players with the hopes it saves his job.

Losing JG for no return to UFA is an unmitigated disaster for this franchise though, and its a real possibility if the team is comfortably looking to be in the playoffs on March 21. Hard to blame BT in this scenario when the future doesnt matter to him if he is out at years end.

BT has been good in RFA negotiations. Remains to be seen when up against UFA, that will be next level wizardry status if he gets value deals this time.

I think what you’ve highlighted with BT this year is precisely the problem. The franchise is at a crossroads (IMO) and you have a lame duck GM fighting for his job, with moves that satisfy the win or get fired mandate, but fall well short of strategic moves for the good of the organization in the long run.

With two franchise altering departures potentially on the horizon in Johnny and Tkachuk, I hope there’s more being considered than if this team plays in May or not.

[Moneyhands23]

I think with the numbers being handed out lately the team and player may be just really far apart. But that's obviously just speculation

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by bax

Okay if that example doesn’t work for you look at other UFA’s. Does Rielly not want to be in Toronto because he isn’t signed? What about Barkov and Florida? Klingberg and Dallas? Forsberg and Nashville?

I guess all of these players will be leaving their teams at the end of the season?

The fact Gaudreau isn't signed is just one of many reasons that point to the possibility of him leaving. It's lower on the list than other things though such as playing on a competitive or elite team, being closer to his family, playing somewhere his wife wants to live and start their family, playing in a city he prefers, playing in a market with better weather, playing in a market with better taxes, playing in a city with better travel schedule, playing where he is offered the most money, etc. etc. etc.

Now with the Flames knowing the situation they are in with a risk of losing him for nothing, you'd think they would have tried very hard to work out a deal already. The fact that there is no deal is just another small indicator that MAYBE Gaudreau in fact does want to test free agency, and who would blame him? This is his one chance to really set up his entire life.

Guys like Rielly and Barkov playing on contenders in highly regarded cities dont seem like comparables either though.

[Yoho]

I don’t know how anyone can talk themselves into thinking this is going well for the Flames.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

BT has been good in RFA negotiations. Remains to be seen when up against UFA, that will be next level wizardry status if he gets value deals this time.

I think what you’ve highlighted with BT this year is precisely the problem. The franchise is at a crossroads (IMO) and you have a lame duck GM fighting for his job, with moves that satisfy the win or get fired mandate, but fall well short of strategic moves for the good of the organization in the long run.

With two franchise altering departures potentially on the horizon in Johnny and Tkachuk, I hope there’s more being considered than if this team plays in May or not.

Not sure how BT is a lame duck GM... he hasn't been told this is his last season.... I don't think a lame duck GM can fight for their job... by definition knowing your job is finished after this season would be what makes you a lame duck - you have nothing to fight for.