2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Zadorov was not being matched up to Playoff Nathan MacKinnon, who may be the most prolific playoff player in decades.

Well he hasn't made it past round two so that may be a stretch

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I won’t debate Gio v Zadorov.

But I will say this - there’s an unwritten preseason rule for vets that you don’t put guys through the boards on checks etc. Which is Zadorov’s strength. I think at least that aspect will improve in real games. It will also help him defend because guys won’t feel as free to try a fancy move.

It it helps him defend, one would think he’d be considered a better defender.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It it helps him defend, one would think he’d be considered a better defender.


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So punishing hits don’t help? That’s what you’re saying?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well he hasn't made it past round two so that may be a stretch

I didn't know one player was a team

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I didn't know one player was a team

come on man "most prolific playoff player in decades" should be able to carry a team to round 3

he is a great player but you need to do some winning if you want that title
Crosby, Kane, Tavares, Malkin, ect.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Zadorov being compared to Gio?

Based on what I am reading, it sounds like some people think the Flames have New Jersey technology like Omsk where the logo adds 70 points in speed and 100 points in power. I assume there are some G drive shoulder straps in there too

One day Gio will retire because nobody beats Father Time but we are talking about the here and now. Zadorov is nowhere near the guy just a couple of years removed from the Norris

And the comparison in terms of mix of 4 players last year vs this year, we will see who is better. Coleman had better pts/60 than Ryan last year, and Bennett’s numbers in a limited sample size in Florida were better than both. All we can do is wait and observe

Or we can just take the position that everybody new is better than everybody that left

Bennett's Florida numbers are irrelevant because it wasn't gonna happen here.

All that matters is are the Flames better as a team overall?

People are laughing at suggesting they have improved yet they will have a better win% this season IMO

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett's Florida numbers are irrelevant because it wasn't gonna happen here.

All that matters is are the Flames better as a team overall?

People are laughing at suggesting they have improved yet they will have a better win% this season IMO

Near as I can tell, Sam Bennett’s success in Florida has been mostly the result of sticking him at centre and playing him with Huberdeau.

I know all the anti-Bennett arguments, I’ve made them.

But we could’ve done Gaudreau-Bennett for 15 games at least once.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett's Florida numbers are irrelevant because it wasn't gonna happen here.

All that matters is are the Flames better as a team overall?

People are laughing at suggesting they have improved yet they will have a better win% this season IMO

I don’t doubt it. The coaching change can easily have more of an impact than any individual player personnel move

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett's Florida numbers are irrelevant because it wasn't gonna happen here.

All that matters is are the Flames better as a team overall?

People are laughing at suggesting they have improved yet they will have a better win% this season IMO

So we are just deciding if we are better off without a player by using a team record with and without him

I can play too.

18/19 Season with Bennett - 1st in the West
21/22 Season without Bennett - ?

I know your eluding to overall team being better, But I'll reinforce so many things change from season to season. Say the Flames are better off without him if thats your opinion but not because they have a better coach and Gaudreau and Tkachuk are in contract years, and we added Coleman, Monahan will hopefully stay healthy
and Mangiapane is probably going to have a breakout season.

Same goes the other way if they dont finish as high, its not necessarily because they dont have Bennett, Thr Lost Gio and have other defense ?'s, scoring depth questions, No proven Backup especially if Markstrom gets injured (knock on wood)

I'm not even a Bennett apologist either and thought it was time for the team and player to get a fresh start.

[dino7c]

I didn't bring up Bennett (27 points in 18-19, not really a big factor though if you want to go there)

Who said with or without one player? We were talking about all the changes. God damn you guys are sensitive about Lord Sam Bennett

Bennett wasn't on the roster at the end of the season so I don't think its really relevant to the discussion if the Flames improved over the summer or not.

Really its Gio/Ryan out
Coleman/Zadorov in

The rest are meh

I think that is a slight win, need to wait and see

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett's Florida numbers are irrelevant because it wasn't gonna happen here.

All that matters is are the Flames better as a team overall?

People are laughing at suggesting they have improved yet they will have a better win% this season IMO

I think Sutter may have gotten him turned around, but as far as players in and players out go, he didn't factor in much last season so it's basically a slide. I am not convinced his production in Florida is sustainable anyway. Didn't he have an absurd shooting percentage after he was traded? Things like that tend to come back down to Earth, unless he is all of a sudden in Ovechkin and McDavid territory.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I didn't bring up Bennett (27 points in 18-19, not really a big factor though if you want to go there)

Who said with or without one player? We were talking about all the changes. God damn you guys are sensitive about Lord Sam Bennett

Bennett wasn't on the roster at the end of the season so I don't think its really relevant to the discussion if the Flames improved over the summer or not.

Really its Gio/Ryan out
Coleman/Zadorov in

The rest are meh

I think that is a slight win, need to wait and see

I agree that the new guys are meh, and think that’s a net loss on ice. Gio is a Norris caliber D and Ryan was excellent for his position, and imo underutilized due to slotting. They played frigging Ritchie top 6. A bewildering wtf situation. The main win is that Coleman is slotted based on a positional need, which has been a glaring organizational weakness

And, oh yeah, the little issue of the coaching staff. And I am fully aware he is the guy that played Ritchie with 13 and 23, but who knows what that was about - maybe a kamikaze style message about roster construction ?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I agree that the new guys are meh, and think that’s a net loss on ice. Gio is a Norris caliber D and Ryan was excellent for his position, and imo underutilized due to slotting. They played frigging Ritchie top 6. A bewildering wtf situation. The main win is that Coleman is slotted based on a positional need, which has been a glaring organizational weakness

And, oh yeah, the little issue of the coaching staff. And I am fully aware he is the guy that played Ritchie with 13 and 23, but who knows what that was about - maybe a kamikaze style message about roster construction ?

Gio was not a Norris caliber dman last year though...not even close

Coleman was playing 18 mins a night in the playoffs for the 2X cup champs...I think people will come around on him pretty quickly. He is not a "third liner" like I have heard people say


We will find out pretty quickly if the team is better or not

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gio was not a Norris caliber dman last year though...not even close

Coleman was playing 18 mins a night in the playoffs for the 2X cup champs...I think people will come around on him pretty quickly. He is not a "third liner" like I have heard people say.

We agree on Coleman, he is properly slotted top 6 and has upside

I told Bingo this - I see two Gios.

One playing with a partner he can trust (Sarich, Tanev, Brodie) that is a beast. The other being a veteran focused too much on doing his job plus covering up his Junior pairing mate (Andersson). Drastically different, I don’t think I could accept a disagreement there.

His ceiling is high but relies on having a competent partner so he can elevate his game

Let’s see how Gio does if he is paired with a guy like Larsson.

Seems like a problem the Flames have had over recent years - icing combinations up front and on D they think should work but don’t. Hopefully Sutter picks up on this stuff more quickly. We will see

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

We agree on Coleman, he is properly slotted top 6 and has upside

I told Bingo this - I see two Gios.

One playing with a partner he can trust (Sarich, Tanev, Brodie) that is a beast. The other being a veteran focused too much on doing his job plus covering up his Junior pairing mate (Andersson). Drastically different, I don’t think I could accept a disagreement there.

His ceiling is high but relies on having a competent partner so he can elevate his game

Let’s see how Gio does if he is paired with a guy like Larsson.

Seems like a problem the Flames have had over recent years - icing combinations up front and on D they think should work but don’t. Hopefully Sutter picks up on this stuff more quickly. We will see

Dear lord do you ever sleep!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So punishing hits don’t help? That’s what you’re saying?

Didn’t say that.

But you said his punishing hits make him a better defender. While true, it doesn’t turn him into a decent defender. He is still a bad defender.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Didn’t say that.

But you said his punishing hits make him a better defender. While true, it doesn’t turn him into a decent defender. He is still a bad defender.


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All I’m saying is that the code of preseason perhaps isn’t presenting him as well as he can be. And his stats don’t say he is a bad ES defender.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420393578308718597

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

All I’m saying is that the code of preseason perhaps isn’t presenting him as well as he can be. And his stats don’t say he is a bad ES defender.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420393578308718597

“Well, I’m not a power play guy” - Zadorov

[Buff]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Which should have been done in the first place.

Who would buy a car at dealer sticker value but told they are not allowed to have an inspection or view the vehicles accident/maintenance history?

Buffalo is just some kind of special.

I was thinking of it as buying a house, being told there's a problem but you can't have a home inspection. You can walk down the street and look at it from the curb but you must pay higher than the neighborhood comparables.

Both work.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

“Well, I’m not a power play guy” - Zadorov

That precipitous drop in offence from 2018-19 is interesting. He was slightly above average that season. I wonder if that suggests any unlocked potential? If he could even get back up to ~33rd percentile or something, that would really help make him more effective.