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09-29-2021, 03:14 PM
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#162
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1442957604095868928
BTW, I like the new tweet button 
I've been typing the wrapped tags forever. Nice update!!
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09-29-2021, 03:21 PM
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#163
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
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Darryl is continuously mischaracterized by a lot of the hockey world as a dinosaur who only values size and toughness without skill but it’s way off base
He values above all else good defense and puck possession
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09-29-2021, 05:49 PM
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#164
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Truculent!
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
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I want to think Darryl isnt gonna help. But he just does.
The hockey might not be pretty but all I care about is winning so, boring me to a cup please!
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Originally Posted by Poe969
It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
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09-29-2021, 06:38 PM
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#165
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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
I want to think Darryl isnt gonna help. But he just does.
The hockey might not be pretty but all I care about is winning so, boring me to a cup please!
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I think this is a bit overstated too, TBH. I mean, it is definitely valid in that it is pretty straight-forward, north/south hockey. But he also gets everyone working hard and, for me anyway, that makes for good hockey. Nothing worse, IMO, than guys going through the motions, giving half-assed efforts.
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09-29-2021, 06:51 PM
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#166
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Nothing like 5 guys pulling the same direction, and seeing a crisp system unfold before your eyes. It's like an art, perhaps maybe a symphony.
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09-29-2021, 07:58 PM
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#167
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Originally Posted by neo45
Darryl is continuously mischaracterized by a lot of the hockey world as a dinosaur who only values size and toughness without skill but it’s way off base
He values above all else good defense and puck possession
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Totally agree. I also point to skill players like Huselius and Tanguay who flourished here
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09-29-2021, 08:22 PM
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#168
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
This strikes me as a team/line style stat. Some combos prefer the D to carry or pass the puck out.
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Also a made up number.
There is no agreed definition.
It is not counted in the building by anybody - probably not even counted on TV beyond an occasional sample.
It bears no relation to what players should do or are asked to do given their choices.
But hey, Great Twitter chart.
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10-04-2021, 10:32 AM
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#169
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Interesting chart by Byron Bader regarding stars drafted over the last 30 years. His metrics have the Flames drafting the 9th most including 4 in the 2010s. He mentions in the comments they are Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk and Fox.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1444853454002814984
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Reason: typo
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10-04-2021, 10:43 AM
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#170
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Originally Posted by BeltlineFan
Interesting chart by Byron Bader regarding starts drafted over the last 30 years. His metrics have the Flames drafting the 9th most including 4 in the 2010s. He mentions in the comments they are Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk and Fox.
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It baffles me that the Oil only has 1 more in the same time period, give that they have had a number of really high picks.
E = NG
Top 1/3 in the league is good. Would be nice to be top-5, but I'm happy with statistically above average.
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10-04-2021, 11:33 AM
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#171
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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I think the problem is that "stars" is a range, going all the way from... Monahan to Crosby. All of ours are toward the "Monahan" end of the range, as opposed the Crosby end. Too early to tell with Fox I suppose... Bader is "our" guy, right? I think he is kind of labeling things in a way that favours "us". To get the true picture, you might want to break it down into "stars" and "superstars" (or whatever)...
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10-04-2021, 11:36 AM
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#172
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
I think the problem is that "stars" is a range, going all the way from... Monahan to Crosby. All of ours are toward the "Monahan" end of the range, as opposed the Crosby end. Too early to tell with Fox I suppose... Bader is "our" guy, right? I think he is kind of labeling things in a way that favours "us". To get the true picture, you might want to break it down into "stars" and "superstars" (or whatever)...
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He's a Calgary fan I think, but he models everything, so it's not just his view of who a star is.
Now you can argue he tweaked his model to favour Calgary for sure, but I certainly haven't heard that.
Hear what you're saying though ... Dom at the Athletic has a team model and Toronto always seems a little higher on his list than others.
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10-04-2021, 11:37 AM
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#173
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
I think the problem is that "stars" is a range, going all the way from... Monahan to Crosby. All of ours are toward the "Monahan" end of the range, as opposed the Crosby end. Too early to tell with Fox I suppose... Bader is "our" guy, right? I think he is kind of labeling things in a way that favours "us". To get the true picture, you might want to break it down into "stars" and "superstars" (or whatever)...
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For the record he defines a star as: 0.7+ career p/g Forward; 0.45+ career p/g Defenceman
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10-04-2021, 11:40 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Bingo
He's a Calgary fan I think, but he models everything, so it's not just his view of who a star is.
Now you can argue he tweaked his model to favour Calgary for sure, but I certainly haven't heard that.
Hear what you're saying though ... Dom at the Athletic has a team model and Toronto always seems a little higher on his list than others.
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Yeah, I should have put a smiley there - I don't mean it's some sort of conspiracy. Basically just saying there are "stars" and then there are "stars". 
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10-04-2021, 11:51 AM
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#175
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Not Beltline
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I think the other three players are:
90s
Cory Stillman 0.71p/g
Robert Svehla 0.51p/g
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Dion Phaneuf 0.47p/g
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10-04-2021, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo
He's a Calgary fan I think, but he models everything, so it's not just his view of who a star is.
Now you can argue he tweaked his model to favour Calgary for sure, but I certainly haven't heard that.
Hear what you're saying though ... Dom at the Athletic has a team model and Toronto always seems a little higher on his list than others.
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What does he classify as a "star player?" Because I look at a team like the Islanders and I wonder what he's talking about? Number of games? Number of points? What is it? In the past 30 years the Islanders have drafted Ziggy Palffy, Scott Lachance, Darius Kasparitus, Todd Bertizzi, Bryan McCabe, Wade Redden, Zdeno Chara, Roberto Luongo, Eric Brewer, Tim Connolly, Rick Dipietro, Frans Nielsen, Kyle Okposo, Andrew MacDonald, Josh Bailey, Travis Hamonic, Matt Martin, Jared Spurgeon, Anders Lee, Casey Cizikas, Calvin DeHaan, John Tavares, Nino, Niederreiter, Brock Nelson, Ryan Strome, Matthew Barzal, and Anthony Beauviller. Just a little bit of star power on that list including a few probable HHOFers. Yet he claims they have only drafted six star players. Conversely, Calgary has picked Cory Stillman, Dion Phaneuf, Mikael Backlund, Johnny Gaureau, Sean Monahan, Matthew Tkachuk, and Adam Fox (seems early on numbers, but a Norris makes him a star) during the same period. We have a couple of other possibilities to add to the list in Mangiapane and Andersson, but more games and points needed? So I'm still really not sure where he's coming from?
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10-04-2021, 12:26 PM
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#177
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Truculent!
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What does he classify as a "star player?" Because I look at a team like the Islanders and I wonder what he's talking about? Number of games? Number of points? What is it? In the past 30 years the Islanders have drafted Ziggy Palffy, Scott Lachance, Darius Kasparitus, Todd Bertizzi, Bryan McCabe, Wade Redden, Zdeno Chara, Roberto Luongo, Eric Brewer, Tim Connolly, Rick Dipietro, Frans Nielsen, Kyle Okposo, Andrew MacDonald, Josh Bailey, Travis Hamonic, Matt Martin, Jared Spurgeon, Anders Lee, Casey Cizikas, Calvin DeHaan, John Tavares, Nino, Niederreiter, Brock Nelson, Ryan Strome, Matthew Barzal, and Anthony Beauviller. Just a little bit of star power on that list including a few probable HHOFers. Yet he claims they have only drafted six star players. Conversely, Calgary has picked Cory Stillman, Dion Phaneuf, Mikael Backlund, Johnny Gaureau, Sean Monahan, Matthew Tkachuk, and Adam Fox (seems early on numbers, but a Norris makes him a star) during the same period. We have a couple of other possibilities to add to the list in Mangiapane and Andersson, but more games and points needed? So I'm still really not sure where he's coming from?
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You could easily find out. But you clearly do not want to.
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It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
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10-04-2021, 12:27 PM
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#178
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
What does he classify as a "star player?"
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Look 3 posts up from yours.
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10-04-2021, 12:29 PM
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#179
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Originally Posted by FanIn80
Look 3 posts up from yours.
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Thanks. Showed up after I had quoted Bingo's post and was looking over the Islanders' drafting. Don't agree with his measure. Lots of payers were stars who faded in later years and saw their PPG drop, or were the type of players that didn't generate a lot of points. For example, by that measure, Chara is not a star player.
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10-04-2021, 12:37 PM
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#180
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Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
I think the problem is that "stars" is a range, going all the way from... Monahan to Crosby. All of ours are toward the "Monahan" end of the range, as opposed the Crosby end. Too early to tell with Fox I suppose... Bader is "our" guy, right? I think he is kind of labeling things in a way that favours "us". To get the true picture, you might want to break it down into "stars" and "superstars" (or whatever)...
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I'm always more interested in low draft picks who become NHL regulars.
I'd love to see some sort of chart for teams who have players picked in the 3rd round or later who played over 400 games for the team that drafted them,
just as an example.
fun to see guys that got passed over by all teams for multiple rounds succeed, or even become stars.
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