[News] CSEC's acceptable proof of vaccination for Saddledome games

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Just by reading this thread... if you don't all start to see what a slippery slope you're on, then no one can help you.


First some definitions:

Traditionally a vaccine prevented the recipient from contracting the disease, or more to the scientific point, prevented the virus or pathogen from getting hold in the recipient even though they could be exposed to the pathogen and have some of the pathogen within their bodies. A therapeutic, is a treatment for the disease that would either cure it or reduce the symptoms.

Now what are the COVID 19 vaccines?

Hypothetically (LOL), let say that the vaccine don’t prevent you from actually contracting the disease and don’t prevent you in infecting others if you have contracting it. Let’s also assume that people who are vaccinated, tend to get tested for COVID less frequently because of various reasons due to their vaccination status, and lets also hypothetically assume that they have greater viral loads when they are infected and even asymptomatic vaccinated individuals tend to spread the disease, while asymptomatic unvaccinated people do so less frequently (if at all)… lets also assume that unvaccinated people who are infected tend to seek treatment and tend to stay isolated while vaccinated individuals tend to carry on in public spreading the disease.

So without debating the above…. If this is all found out to be the truth, I then can assume that all pro-vax-passport people here would agree, that we should ban them from everything they want to ban the unvaccinated for today – can I get you word on that.


Be careful what you wish for.

Jack don't come back.

[djsFlames]

Designing these things can be complex when you're dealing with securing information, at least from my vantage point. I just don't think they fully vetted the app to ensure someone faking couldn't do it easily and that the back end couldn't be accessed. And I'm not sure they understood how that side of things worked, and just focused on designing something people could enter their info into that would give them a green checkmark for doing so, without attacking it from the angle of someone with false information.

Its better to admit that there were issues but you're working to correct them than to push a false narrative that there was a short "breach" when the guy tested their security and that it was otherwise fine. It was never fully secure.

There was obviously faults with the initial design. If i were Zakir I would be upfront about the issues and then outsource to get the necessary expertise to fix it from the bottom up. That's the honest way to go about it. Relaunch later and maybe you win back the trust of the public and even the Flames. Accusing people of lying or breaking the law because they were critical of your product/service is the wrong way to go in the public eye.

Admitting fault/a mistake publicly seems so hard for people to do these days. If we're not secure enough in ourselves to admit when we ####ed up, we'll never build real relationships personally or in business.

[TheScorpion]

we talked to some people about this over at FlamesNation

https://twitter.com/user/status/1442952757107851269

[PepsiFree]

Love that it only took two posts to crank the level of stupidity of this thread to the absolute maximum.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Just by reading this thread... if you don't all start to see what a slippery slope you're on, then no one can help you.


First some definitions:

Traditionally a vaccine prevented the recipient from contracting the disease, or more to the scientific point, prevented the virus or pathogen from getting hold in the recipient even though they could be exposed to the pathogen and have some of the pathogen within their bodies. A therapeutic, is a treatment for the disease that would either cure it or reduce the symptoms.

Now what are the COVID 19 vaccines?

Hypothetically (LOL), let say that the vaccine don’t prevent you from actually contracting the disease and don’t prevent you in infecting others if you have contracting it. Let’s also assume that people who are vaccinated, tend to get tested for COVID less frequently because of various reasons due to their vaccination status, and lets also hypothetically assume that they have greater viral loads when they are infected and even asymptomatic vaccinated individuals tend to spread the disease, while asymptomatic unvaccinated people do so less frequently (if at all)… lets also assume that unvaccinated people who are infected tend to seek treatment and tend to stay isolated while vaccinated individuals tend to carry on in public spreading the disease.

So without debating the above…. If this is all found out to be the truth, I then can assume that all pro-vax-passport people here would agree, that we should ban them from everything they want to ban the unvaccinated for today – can I get you word on that.


Be careful what you wish for.

If you haven't learned by now how to find facts and interpret them properly, maybe you should just defer the thinking to the experts. Because your train of thoughts are riding on a track of dried fettuccine.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If you haven't learned by now how to find facts and interpret them properly, maybe you should just defer the thinking to the experts. Because your train of thoughts are riding on a track of dried fettuccine.

the brittlest of tracks.

[N-E-B]

I feel bad for everyone who was affected, but come on, giving your drivers license and medical records to a private company should be a huge red flag.

I don’t necessarily blame anyone that did it though. I think there was trust in CSEC and unfortunately they dropped the ball.

I also think our provincial government needs to take some blame here. If they just had the QR codes ready to go and given business the app to scan it all of this could have been avoided. No fake passports and much easier than making people check the card and ID’s at the gate.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Just by reading this thread... if you don't all start to see what a slippery slope you're on, then no one can help you.


First some definitions:

Traditionally a vaccine prevented the recipient from contracting the disease, or more to the scientific point, prevented the virus or pathogen from getting hold in the recipient even though they could be exposed to the pathogen and have some of the pathogen within their bodies. A therapeutic, is a treatment for the disease that would either cure it or reduce the symptoms.

Now what are the COVID 19 vaccines?

Hypothetically (LOL), let say that the vaccine don’t prevent you from actually contracting the disease and don’t prevent you in infecting others if you have contracting it. Let’s also assume that people who are vaccinated, tend to get tested for COVID less frequently because of various reasons due to their vaccination status, and lets also hypothetically assume that they have greater viral loads when they are infected and even asymptomatic vaccinated individuals tend to spread the disease, while asymptomatic unvaccinated people do so less frequently (if at all)… lets also assume that unvaccinated people who are infected tend to seek treatment and tend to stay isolated while vaccinated individuals tend to carry on in public spreading the disease.

So without debating the above…. If this is all found out to be the truth, I then can assume that all pro-vax-passport people here would agree, that we should ban them from everything they want to ban the unvaccinated for today – can I get you word on that.


Be careful what you wish for.

[The Fisher Account]

CSEC with another dud decision. Surprise surprise.

This corporation really is going to hell in a handbasket.

I would strongly support a new ownership group ASAP.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Just by reading this thread... if you don't all start to see what a slippery slope you're on, then no one can help you.


First some definitions:

Traditionally a vaccine prevented the recipient from contracting the disease, or more to the scientific point, prevented the virus or pathogen from getting hold in the recipient even though they could be exposed to the pathogen and have some of the pathogen within their bodies. A therapeutic, is a treatment for the disease that would either cure it or reduce the symptoms.

Now what are the COVID 19 vaccines?

Hypothetically (LOL), let say that the vaccine don’t prevent you from actually contracting the disease and don’t prevent you in infecting others if you have contracting it. Let’s also assume that people who are vaccinated, tend to get tested for COVID less frequently because of various reasons due to their vaccination status, and lets also hypothetically assume that they have greater viral loads when they are infected and even asymptomatic vaccinated individuals tend to spread the disease, while asymptomatic unvaccinated people do so less frequently (if at all)… lets also assume that unvaccinated people who are infected tend to seek treatment and tend to stay isolated while vaccinated individuals tend to carry on in public spreading the disease.

So without debating the above…. If this is all found out to be the truth, I then can assume that all pro-vax-passport people here would agree, that we should ban them from everything they want to ban the unvaccinated for today – can I get you word on that.


Be careful what you wish for.

Hypothetically, if any of that was remotely true it would not have been proven false repeatedly by the billions of people who are vaccinated.

[Patek23]

It baffles me how readily people pass up personal information without a second thought. Even a government backed QR code will just be a private sector company hired to carry it out. Information is money in the digital age. That’s how programs like Facebook and Instagram make all their money by tracking peoples online tracks and personal information. Anytime you pass your information off into the hands of something new you should be EXTREMELY skeptical.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Just by reading this thread... if you don't all start to see what a slippery slope you're on, then no one can help you.

...

Be careful what you wish for.

No, this is not acceptable proof of vaccination for Saddledome games.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Just by reading this thread... if you don't all start to see what a slippery slope you're on, then no one can help you.


First some definitions:

Traditionally a vaccine prevented the recipient from contracting the disease, or more to the scientific point, prevented the virus or pathogen from getting hold in the recipient even though they could be exposed to the pathogen and have some of the pathogen within their bodies. A therapeutic, is a treatment for the disease that would either cure it or reduce the symptoms.

Now what are the COVID 19 vaccines?

Hypothetically (LOL), let say that the vaccine don’t prevent you from actually contracting the disease and don’t prevent you in infecting others if you have contracting it. Let’s also assume that people who are vaccinated, tend to get tested for COVID less frequently because of various reasons due to their vaccination status, and lets also hypothetically assume that they have greater viral loads when they are infected and even asymptomatic vaccinated individuals tend to spread the disease, while asymptomatic unvaccinated people do so less frequently (if at all)… lets also assume that unvaccinated people who are infected tend to seek treatment and tend to stay isolated while vaccinated individuals tend to carry on in public spreading the disease.

So without debating the above…. If this is all found out to be the truth, I then can assume that all pro-vax-passport people here would agree, that we should ban them from everything they want to ban the unvaccinated for today – can I get you word on that.


Be careful what you wish for.

My favorite part is where, in the first sentence of your post, you get the definition of vaccine completely incorrect. The actual definition:

vaccine: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease.

SOURCE: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If you haven't learned by now how to find facts and interpret them properly, maybe you should just defer the thinking to the experts. Because your train of thoughts are riding on a track of dried fettuccine.

Clearly some anti-vax copypasta. Has it ready to go anytime the vaccine or passport pops up.

Huge image but if people can look at the following stats and still decide not to get vaccinated then literally nothing will ever convince them.

Spoiler!

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

CSEC with another dud decision. Surprise surprise.

This corporation really is going to hell in a handbasket.

I would strongly support a new ownership group ASAP.

This club really needs to have the rot dug out from its foundation, and to be literally and figuratively rebuilt with competence, love for the fans and passion for the game.

As maligned as he was, there did appear to be more care put into decisions within the organization when Ken King was still with us. Since his departure there's been a notable air of complacency.

The core should look very different right now, the likes of Gudbranson should be nowhere near this team and that game one effort never should've been allowed to happen on saddledime ice.

Team reeks of a group thats thrown in the towel, betting all its chips on pulling in a formerly retired coach resuscitate it.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Response from my Ticket Rep after I reached out:

Thanks for the inquiry about PORTpass.



We are aware of a few issues related to PORTpass – the most significant being the security of the personal data that users provide to secure the certification. Based upon the due diligence that we completed prior to recommending the app, we were comfortable with the security of data. However, it would seem the security issue continues to be challenged in the media.



As a result, PORTpass is currently offline while it undergoes two independent third party audits to confirm no issues exist around data security. Until further notice we encourage all fans attending events at the Saddledome and McMahon to bring their hard copy of proof of vaccination and photo identification.



If you have any questions please let me know.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

Response from my Ticket Rep after I reached out:

What audit did CSEC's IT team actually perform? And how competent are they now, having made their bed with PortPass?

This seems to all fall upon, Ziad Mehio's shoulders, really.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

What audit did CSEC's IT team actually perform? And how competent are they now, having made their bed with PortPass?

Absolutely no clue. And in the email I sent to my rep I sent the very alarming thread here: https://twitter.com/yeungc/status/1442198861859090433 not only with privacy concerns about usefulness of actually tracking vaccinated individuals appropriately.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Flames IT guy must be friends with or own part of port pass if CSEC are still sticking up for them after all this. Or maybe they just don’t want to get sued.

Either way, that response is pathetic.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

What audit did CSEC's IT team actually perform? And how competent are they now, having made their bed with PortPass?

This seems to all fall upon, Ziad Mehio's shoulders, really.

I am sure they checked Google reviews.