[GDT] Flames @ Abbotsford. 8pm MT. Calgaryflames.com

[Savvy27]

Positives:
-Pospisil played hard and well and I think helped his cause compared to last night. He plays as advertised being a bigger guy with speed who plays physical and has a touch of skill. Picked up an assist and was also the screen in front on the play. Exactly what you want a guy like him doing.

-Dube was very noticeable and mostly for good reasons. His speed is elite out there. Showed a hard and accurate shot on his goal.

-Kylington was the best D on the Flames in my opinion. Some great plays with the puck, he also broke up some plays when he was on the penalty kill. The team transitions so much better with him on the ice than with Valimaki or Stone for example. I liked him on the powerplay too. Also picked up an assist.

-Mackey and Desimone were pretty good at times as well. Mackey with a good decision to put a puck on net and picked up a goal.

Negatives:
-Pelletier, Philp, Phillips were really ineffective

-Stone and Valimaki really struggled out there. Not awful throughout but I don't think that either of looked like they should be in the starting line up. Stone made some really bad decisions that lead to odd man rushes against.

-Ritchie is so frustrating. As a 13th forward he doesn't do much harm, but a guy like Pospisil or even Duehr would be preferable for me.

I don't think many bubble players helped themselves tonight. Certainly not enough to dislodge UFA vets that were brought in late in the summer.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Hahahah 8 dmen and 14 forwards then?

8 and 13 (or 7 nd 14)

[Enoch Root]

better game - DiPietro was better than Werner

I liked: Dube, Mangiapane, Stone, Mackey, Kylington and Vladar tonight

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

8 and 13 (or 7 nd 14)

Ok last try.

Any chance they will roll with 8 dmen and 13 forwards to start the regular season?

I don’t know why that was so hard for me lol

[nieuwy-89]

It was already 3-0 when I started watching, but the Flames were the better team after that. Dube and Mang really dominated in the 6 on 5 for the last couple minutes. Horvat schooled Froese in the faceoffs though.

Gravel and Vladar really looked bad on the Nucks fourth goal.

First star of the game should be that orca mascot thing…he was working hard every TV timeout!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Ok last try.

Any chance they will roll with 8 dmen and 13 forwards to start the regular season?

I don’t know why that was so hard for me lol

No

[Enoch Root]

just kidding - it's possible, but not very common

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Positives:
-Pospisil played hard and well and I think helped his cause compared to last night. He plays as advertised being a bigger guy with speed who plays physical and has a touch of skill. Picked up an assist and was also the screen in front on the play. Exactly what you want a guy like him doing.

-Dube was very noticeable and mostly for good reasons. His speed is elite out there. Showed a hard and accurate shot on his goal.

-Kylington was the best D on the Flames in my opinion. Some great plays with the puck, he also broke up some plays when he was on the penalty kill. The team transitions so much better with him on the ice than with Valimaki or Stone for example. I liked him on the powerplay too. Also picked up an assist.

-Mackey and Desimone were pretty good at times as well. Mackey with a good decision to put a puck on net and picked up a goal.

Negatives:
-Pelletier, Philp, Phillips were really ineffective

-Stone and Valimaki really struggled out there. Not awful throughout but I don't think that either of looked like they should be in the starting line up. Stone made some really bad decisions that lead to odd man rushes against.

-Ritchie is so frustrating. As a 13th forward he doesn't do much harm, but a guy like Pospisil or even Duehr would be preferable for me.

I don't think many bubble players helped themselves tonight. Certainly not enough to dislodge UFA vets that were brought in late in the summer.

So, stop drafting guys with P surnames?

[agulati]

I wonder if we see another set of cuts tomorrow.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No

I can’t see Stone going to Stockton with his deep roots in Calgary and given his league min contract it seems like he is the #7 no matter what.

Mackey is waiver exempt so he could go down to the farm and form a top pairing with Kinnvall.

Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov, Andersson and Valimaki are locks.

How the hell else can anyone make the team as Sutter said was the case?

The Gudbranson signing is sooo puzzling.

[dino7c]

Stone was good after the 1st IMO

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Honestly would be a travesty if Badbranson makes the team ahead of Kylington.

At his salary, he's 10000% a lock to make it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

What we have learned through two meaningless exhibition games is the Flames prospects are pretty much garbage and there is nothing on the farm remotely close to being an NHL player. The game against the Oilers was atrocious and this one was not much better. Time to make some cuts and get prepared for the season. So much work to do in a short period of time.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What we have learned through two meaningless exhibition games is the Flames prospects are pretty much garbage and there is nothing on the farm remotely close to being an NHL player. The game against the Oilers was atrocious and this one was not much better. Time to make some cuts and get prepared for the season. So much work to do in a short period of time.

Which prospects are garbage? Pelletier? Phillips?
Seems harsh, these are just scrimmages.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What we have learned through two meaningless exhibition games is the Flames prospects are pretty much garbage and there is nothing on the farm remotely close to being an NHL player. The game against the Oilers was atrocious and this one was not much better. Time to make some cuts and get prepared for the season. So much work to do in a short period of time.

Judging players on two games, lol

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Which prospects are garbage? Pelletier? Phillips?

Seems harsh, these are just scrimmages.

Pretty much, Pelletier looked like a good junior Player who's ready for the minors and Phillips looked like a skilled AHL player who's skills don't translate at the NHL level.

Pospisil was the only prospect that stood out to me, and even then he'd be 4th line / waiver fodder.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Hahahah 8 dmen and 14 forwards then?

So Vladar to the minors then?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Which prospects are garbage? Pelletier? Phillips?
Seems harsh, these are just scrimmages.

Pelletier get's a pass as a first year pro.

It's the prospects that have been in the system for a while that were supposed to be pushing for a position on the big club. Yeah, Matthew Phillips gets singled out. As does Ruzicka. Add in Froese, Gawdin, and anyone else that has been in the AHL for the past couple of seasons. This was their moment to step up and show what they have. If they took them as "just scrimmages" they're ####ing idiots and don't deserve any more time as a professional. When you're in the minors every time you take to your position you better be giving it your all, because you're playing for your livelihood. You only get so many opportunities to stand out, and you better do something to do so. What the Flames AHL players did these past two games is show they have nothing to offer and are in capable of standing out when given a shot to show what they have. If you can't stand out against lineups of other AHL plugs, you don't deserve the opportunity to try and stand out against NHL talent.

You may think this is harsh, but this is the reality these guys face. These are the very games where they need o stand up and be a stand out. No one that was not on the Flames roster for more than 10 games last season looked worthy of continuing on in the evaluation process. It has been an underwhelming and very disappointing performance after all the hype that was built up over certain players. Send them packing and get on with the business of building a cohesive unit for the season opener.

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Judging players on two games, lol

It's just two games, but it's not just two games. These guys have been around for a while. This was their opportunity to shine. This was their opportunity to show they were the cream of the crop over their peer group and they are worthy of being included with the NHL roster for the rest of camp. You only get so many opportunities to perform, so you better show the #### up and get the job done. What we saw was an embarrassing performance in back-to-back games. Sutter and the rest of the brass can't be happy with what they saw and shouldn't be bothered to waste more cycles on players who can't even shine against their minor league peer group. There's two weeks to the start of the NHL season. Time to get down to the business of building a team ready to play in game one.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Pretty much, Pelletier looked like a good junior Player who's ready for the minors and Phillips looked like a skilled AHL player who's skills don't translate at the NHL level.

Pospisil was the only prospect that stood out to me, and even then he'd be 4th line / waiver fodder.

This club is in serious trouble, it has almost nothing in the pipeline and if it does not perform well this season I cannot see JG signing on for more rubbish. Possibly the worse outcome that could happen will be the club thinking its close to making the playoffs and keeping JG for the run and then not making it to the dance and JG then walking with the club getting nothing for him. Throw in the other star who is going to want his 9M and then will probably walk the next season.

Worse case scenario, yep you bet, but that's what happens to this club.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Negatives:
-Pelletier, Philp, Phillips were really ineffective

-Stone and Valimaki really struggled out there. Not awful throughout but I don't think that either of looked like they should be in the starting line up. Stone made some really bad decisions that lead to odd man rushes against.

-Ritchie is so frustrating. As a 13th forward he doesn't do much harm, but a guy like Pospisil or even Duehr would be preferable for me.

I don't think many bubble players helped themselves tonight. Certainly not enough to dislodge UFA vets that were brought in late in the summer.

I think it's not entirely fair to lump Pelletier in with Phillips or Philp being much younger than them.



Pelletier was not ineffective because he was out of the play, or making back choices. It was largely because he is not strong enough yet to win the battles he was regularly in on.


I think it's A year too early, but Pelletier will be an NHLer before too long. Just not this year.